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Re: Suzuki Kizashi 3 to shake-up mid-size sedans [bwia] by kdshapiro
May 04, 2008 (5:35 am)
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Replying to: bwia (May 04, 2008 4:55 am)

What is so special about this? Visually it's ugly. 21 inch wheels are outrageously bad, in the real world smaller is better. The 3.6 liter engine? So what? Is Suzuki trying the Hyundai Genesis approach. Load 'er up with a lot of gadgets and doo-dads and hope it sells?
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi 3 to shake-up mid-size sedans [kdshapiro] by bwia
May 04, 2008 (7:29 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (May 04, 2008 5:35 am)

kdshapiro, I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder but perhaps you missed this video.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/New-York-2008-Suzuki-Kizashi-3-concept-reveal- ed_154702.htm
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi 3 to shake-up mid-size sedans [kdshapiro] by backy
May 04, 2008 (8:56 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (May 04, 2008 5:35 am)

The show car had 21" wheels. I think the odds of those making production, except maybe as an option, are close to nil. The 3.6L V6 is supposed to be the same as the one in the Aurabu, and in that application it's no slouch.
 
The previous Suzuki mid-sizer, the Verona, wasn't competitive. This new design looks on paper to be fully competitive. So I think that is a good thing--yet another option for mid-sized sedan buyers, and a Japanese-made car at that. In fact, when it arrives it could be the only mid-sized family sedan sold in the U.S. sourced entirely from Japan.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi 3 to shake-up mid-size sedans [bwia] by m6user
May 04, 2008 (11:48 am)
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Replying to: bwia (May 04, 2008 7:29 am)

The front looks like a Buddha having a big laugh.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi 3 to shake-up mid-size sedans [m6user] by lilengineerboy
May 04, 2008 (1:41 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (May 04, 2008 11:48 am)

I think there is a trend towards facial expressions on Japanese vehicles. That Toyota iCar thing I think started it, but like even the new Mazda6 looks like its smiling. I always thought the E36 front looked menacing.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi 3 to shake-up mid-size sedans [lilengineerboy] by aviboy97
May 05, 2008 (8:34 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (May 04, 2008 1:41 pm)

I have been poking around in a few non-Mazda forums gathering non-Mazda owners opinions on the new Mazda6, and there seems to be a consensus among them that the car is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That is something that Mazda is looking for. However, the current Mazda owners seems to think the complete opposite, and are bashing the car. That, Mazda was definitely not expecting.
 
I'm still reserving my final judgment until I drive it. I do like what I see so far. If I had never seen the JDM Mazda6, I would like this one even better.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi 3 to shake-up mid-size sedans [aviboy97] by brucelinc
May 05, 2008 (8:53 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (May 05, 2008 8:34 am)

Aviboy, I noticed the same thing! It appears that the new Mazda 6 might bring a lot more buyers to the brand even if it turns off a few Mazda loyalists.
 
From what I have seen so far, the 2009 Mazda 6 would absolutely be at the top of my list among mid-size sedans. I have had several of the current generation Mazda 6s as rentals and like them OK - except for the noisy 4 cyl engine - but I would never have considering buying one. The 2009 with the 3.7 engine will be a definite possibility, though.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi 3 to shake-up mid-size sedans [aviboy97] by m6user
May 05, 2008 (8:55 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (May 05, 2008 8:34 am)

I have noticed the same thing simply by chance, not really looking for it. I have thought the new design was great from the beginning, especially the view from the rear. Now that I have seen the video I think it is really sharp overall. I think some Mazda6 owners will not be satisfied until it looks and drives like a Ferrari but still costs $20,000 or so. Cake and eat it too syndrome in my opinion.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi 3 to shake-up mid-size sedans [m6user] by mz6greyghost
May 05, 2008 (9:06 am)
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Replying to: m6user (May 05, 2008 8:55 am)

I think some Mazda6 owners will not be satisfied until it looks and drives like a Ferrari but still costs $20,000 or so. Cake and eat it too syndrome in my opinion.
 
Or:
1. They're a little annoyed that they didn't wait to get the '09 and got a '07-'08 instead.
2. They're too young and/or ignorant to fully realize that the Mazda6 is supposed to be a Midsize Sedan, and not a riced-out Civic with graphics, 22" wheels and a two-tiered wing that can double as a set of bleachers.
 
Of the other Midsize Sedans, Mazda's got a winner IMO. Being a current 6 owner, I'd like to think that my tastes have matured since 2004, and so has the second-gen 6.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi 3 to shake-up mid-size sedans [m6user] by aviboy97
May 05, 2008 (9:08 am)
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Replying to: m6user (May 05, 2008 8:55 am)

I have noticed the same thing simply by chance, not really looking for it
 
Initially, I noticed it by chance, then I said to myself "myself, I wonder if this really is the thought out there". So, I looked and I confirmed my suspicions.
 
I think some Mazda6 owners will not be satisfied until it looks and drives like a Ferrari but still costs $20,000
 
I think most Mazda owners are bummed about no hatch and no mtx in the V6, as am I. However, I will still look at it, because Mazda has appeared to improve on what needed improvement. From what I am hearing on the Mazda front, the pricing will relatively stay close to what it is now. That's a good thing.

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