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#17178 of 18205 Why I'm still waiting for a new Ford Fusion by puppybone69

Dec 03, 2012 (12:55 am)

1: I want to buy a new car from an American manufacturer
2: I only have $30,000 to spend on it
3: In my opinion it's the only midsize sedan worth having that meets the above criteria
4: I love the styling of the new model
5: I want to be among the first to own one
6: I've never owned a Job 1 car before and I think it'll be cool to own one
7: I've never special ordered a new car before and I wanted to do so at least once in my lifetime
8: I'm aware that production problems and delays are common for first year redesign cars
9: I have no control over how long the waiting period for manufacture and delivery is
10: I need a new car but I'm not in a big hurry to get one

#17179 of 18205 Very Happy with Titanium 2.0 ecoboost by dwjhatton

Dec 04, 2012 (8:01 pm)

I just bought car off of the lot. Ruby Red, Titanium, 2.0 liter. Navi, Driver Assist and Sunroof. I didn't really have to have sunroof but I didn't want to wait for the order and nothing else in the area available.
 
Very happy with the car, drives great. Feels really good. Great acceleration compared to 2007 Civic. Had to have headlamps fixed prior to release from dealer. Got about 1500 off from MSRP, was happy with the deal.

#17180 of 18205 Re: Why I'm still waiting for a new Ford Fusion [puppybone69] by cski

Dec 07, 2012 (7:39 am)

Replying to: puppybone69 (Dec 03, 2012 12:55 am)
Cool! Good for you! Congrats on your new car.
 
I wanted a new car too. I needed to stop my '99 Grand Cherokee V8 from bleeding me dry with repair bills. I researched mid size sedans for 6 months before my selection.
 
Every day I look at it and am damn proud and happy about it. If I had to do it again I would have bought one with a power passenger seat, and heated seats. I miss that feature from my Grand Cherokee.
 
Please let us know everything about your Fusion as you get to know it! Stuff like handling, engine, features, looks, color, and hey...post a picture or two!

#17181 of 18205 Re: Why I'm still waiting for a new Ford Fusion [cski] by gimmestdtranny

Dec 07, 2012 (8:17 am)

Replying to: cski (Dec 07, 2012 7:39 am)
But most power passenger seats (not counting very high-end autos) have only 4 way or sometimes 6 way adjustability.. and the key adjustments missing are the two most important opnes in terms of operator ease, are the cushion tilt front and rear (with both being the 8 way).
And the power fore and aft is a real waste on front passenger seats in most cars. If a child seat is installed it is usually behind the passenger seat and basically all cars will accommodate one when seat is in furthest rear position, and even if you do have to move it, fore and aft is one of the easiest moves there is..unless you are extremely large-sized or have age related or other type disabilities.
 
I hear Ford has (also) been caught with 20% optimistic fuel economy results on their hybrid Fusions and Escapes. 20% is a huge number!
That said, the owner here on this forum who recently has been informing us of his experiences with his new hybrid, seems to get quite acceptable fuel economy IMO, as I interpret his driving style and locale.

#17182 of 18205 Re: Why I'm still waiting for a new Ford Fusion [gimmestdtranny] by akirby

Dec 07, 2012 (11:29 am)

Replying to: gimmestdtranny (Dec 07, 2012 8:17 am)
Ford hasn't been "caught" by anybody. CR was disappointed in the results of their tests which doesn't prove anything. Ethanol, winter blend fuel, cold weather and optional tires will reduce hybrid mileage on any vehicle.
 
Until the EPA runs their own tests it's nothing but speculation and publicity seeking by CR.

#17183 of 18205 Re: Why I'm still waiting for a new Ford Fusion [akirby] by m6user

Dec 07, 2012 (12:08 pm)

Replying to: akirby (Dec 07, 2012 11:29 am)
I think the problem CR had was that they test cars the same and they had never had such a huge discrempancy from the EPA rating compared to their results on any cars they have ever tested. I think they were short about 20% on both the Fusion and the C-max. I do believe all the "qualifiers" you mentioned would affect all vehicles tested and not just Fords.
 
And Ford issuing their "estimates" is not publicity seeking prior to the EPA testing? Good for the gander etc.

#17184 of 18205 Re: Why I'm still waiting for a new Ford Fusion [gimmestdtranny] by cski

Dec 07, 2012 (12:31 pm)

Replying to: gimmestdtranny (Dec 07, 2012 8:17 am)
All I really want is a passenger height adjustment on my Optima. My kids can barely see out the window, and yes they are old enough and tall enough to ride up front.
 
I only said power seat because I had it on my Jeep and liked it. The kids miss the Jeep because, and I quote "this car makes me feel like I am looking out of a tank dad". "I cant see anything".
 
Rotten kids!!! LOL.

#17185 of 18205 Re: Why I'm still waiting for a new Ford Fusion [m6user] by akirby

Dec 07, 2012 (2:32 pm)

Replying to: m6user (Dec 07, 2012 12:08 pm)
It's reason enough to take a closer look. But as far as seeking publicity - Ford is required by law to execute the EPA tests and report the results on the window sticker. This is not their own test - it's somebody else's test and it's required. So they have to put it on the sticker and the purpose of the test is to allow consumers to compare different vehicles. So of course Ford and every other mfr is going to use that number in their advertising.
 
CR, on the other hand, takes the results of 2 vehicles that are barely broken in and runs them on their own private test which they refuse to provide details for and proclaims there is a problem.
 
It's not what they're reporting - it's how they're reporting it.
 
I would like to see Ford take those exact vehicles and run them through the actual EPA test cycle and report the results.
 
Hybrids are much more sensitive to cold weather than non hybrids since the ICE has to run for heat. And I still believe the optional tires are costing 2-3 mpg right off the bat because they're wider and not LRR. The EPA tests are done with the standard wheels and tires by rule.

#17186 of 18205 Re: 2013 fusion production delays [serenity185] by gogophers1

Dec 07, 2012 (3:51 pm)

Replying to: serenity185 (Dec 01, 2012 3:38 pm)
I think the best cure for Ford desire is to already own one. Had I not purchased a new Focus two years ago, I'd be very interested in bringing home a new Fusion - an SE in Ginger Ale metallic with a manual transmission. But this idea of Ford quality being comparable to that of Honda or Toyota - forget about it.
 
I loved my Focus when I first took it home, but the honeymoon was a short one. Not more than a couple months later, the problems began to mount. It's been in the service dept. 7 times now for a suspension issue that, after the replacement of numerous suspension and steering-related parts, they still haven't been able to figure out. That's right - suspension issues (on a car that isn't even 3 years old). What am I driving - a 35 year old Duster with a rusted out frame?
 
The new Fusion may be one of the sharpest looking and handling mid-sizers out there, but at what price do you value your spare time? Before you sign on the dotted line, you need to ask yourself how much you enjoy running back and forth to the service department because getting "those little new car bugs" worked out of your Ford could become your avocation for the next few years.
 
Headlight problems, engine fires, electrical system failures - does anyone really believe that something magical occurs after one design problem is fixed that will prevent other reliability and safety issues from popping up a year or two down the road? How about 5? How much of your time and money are you willing to wager?
 
I wish Ford was building consistent, quality vehicles today, but it's just not the case. Look at the facts - it's not just bugs and useability issues with their infotainment systems that have landed them at the bottom of the heap in the latest reliability surveys.
 
While the 2013 Accord may not have the style or swagger of the new Ford, at least if the Honda proves troublesome, a forced trade in won't present you with a giant financial black eye. Try trading in one of these 2013 Fords two years from now and you'll get a painful lesson (one I'm currently feeling) in resale values.

#17187 of 18205 Re: Why I'm still waiting for a new Ford Fusion [akirby] by m6user

Dec 07, 2012 (5:12 pm)

Replying to: akirby (Dec 07, 2012 2:32 pm)
Ford is required by law to execute the EPA tests and report the results on the window sticker. This is not their own test - it's somebody else's test and it's required.
 
Well, duh. Most everyone knows this. I thought you said the EPA tests were not completed yet and the numbers that CR was looking at were just Fords preliminary numbers. Which is it? Are the numbers CR was using for comparison the actual EPA numbers or not?
 
Again, you choose to downplay the CR tests as being suspect. They test cars all year long in the same exact manner in. Ford, Chevy, Toyota, Honda, etc etc. They have never had such a large discrepancy before. Do the CR test cars from Ford have the optional tires? I didn't read that anywhere.
 
CR doesn't use the EPA test cycle but it does use the same test for all the cars they test and it's more of real world type of test. Most cars test a little lower than EPA from what I've seen but they are usually close. I guess all the other hybrids they have tested over the years did not have some kind of optional tires and were done on perfect weather days using neither A/C or heaters. Only Ford had the dumb luck of being tested with fat tires and cold weather. What are the chances? Problem is, I remember a first drive or something like that and I think it was Edmunds, where the C-max results were equally as poor as CR's and I believe that was done earlier this fall. Don't know about fat tires though. Maybe a huge headwind in their test. I'm sure there is some crazy reason though.

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