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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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mpg by benjaminh
Dec 08, 2009 (7:46 pm)
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good points on my rather weak mpg spyder and jeffy---maybe I'd better pull back on the lead foot. I do go 65-70 a lot of times...
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Re: Nissan adds cheap GPS [m6user] by 8babies1dog
Dec 08, 2009 (7:47 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (Dec 02, 2009 9:00 pm)

Just a note to add about a Mazda, I still have a 2002-626, the last
year of that style. It's has what I call a baby V6 2.5L 165HP, it has
2 little tail pipes but only 1 muffler. But it also has the MAZDA "zoom"
as they call it, no turbo just DOHC 24 valve. I don't race any more
but if did I would put this (baby) engine up against any new version
I4 (non turbo) even with up to 25HP more. BUT!! it doesn't have a prayer up against the nowadays V-6's of any make. I know I know
this is not a race forum, just making a point about how the new
technology is pulling so much HP/MPG ratios out of these small but
very powerful cars engines.
 
The little V6 may not win the race but you will know you were in one.
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Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [benjaminh] by backy
Dec 08, 2009 (7:47 pm)
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Replying to: benjaminh (Dec 08, 2009 7:39 pm)

I had a similar experience with a 1995 Mystake, er, Mystique. Lots of recalls. But I really liked the car--when it wasn't in the shop. Unfortunately, both the 2000 Focus and 1995 Contique were the first model years, and Quality wasn't quite Job 1 for Ford at that time. They seem to have turned the corner on quality, though, and I'd give them another chance. In fact, if I could have found a low-miles Fusion for a decent price a couple of weeks ago, I'd be driving one now instead of a Sonata. I think word of the Fusion's goodness is getting out, as used car prices have shot up in the past year. But then, the prices of most used cars have shot up in the past year.
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Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [backy] by benjaminh
Dec 08, 2009 (7:52 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Dec 08, 2009 7:47 pm)

Backy--yikes, the Mercury Mystake in the first year was grim, I hear. I remember Click and Clack joking about it. I called my Focus ZTS "Zits" by the end, and then I popped it and traded for an Accord.
 
How's the Sonata? It's a heck of a lot of car for the money. I think the Hyundai engineers are getting closer to the leaders with every generation of Sonata, and with the 2011 they may have not only caught up but reached the top in a few areas. Nice that it's made in Alabama too...
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Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [benjaminh] by backy
Dec 08, 2009 (8:12 pm)
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Replying to: benjaminh (Dec 08, 2009 7:52 pm)

The 2007 Sonata is a ton of car for what I paid, looks and drives like new, nearly 2.5 years of bumper-to-bumper warranty left, tons of room, very comfy, plenty of pep, and I think very good looking in a classic sedan-ish kind of way. Very nice car, especially considering it's a five-year-old design. But I think the Fusion has superior ride and handing.
 
I wonder how the 2011 Sonata will look to us in 2016, or 2021? Some cars have classic styling--Audi and BMW for example. They still look good 10 or more years later. The new Sonata is very daring for a family car. Will it stand the test of time?
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Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [backy] by stephen987
Dec 08, 2009 (8:32 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Dec 08, 2009 8:12 pm)

I'm skeptical about daring styling in midsize sedans. This is not a market segment that rewards drama, especially on the part of manufacturers that are still in the process of building (or rebuilding) a reputation. Midsize buyers are risk-averse, and I think that carries over into styling.
 
When the '06 Sonata came out, the pundits complained that it seemed dated and derivative, and compared it to the already long-gone '98-02 Accord in its conservatism. Yet four years later, the same basic design still looks nice, restrained, not particularly dated--dare I say "classy"? One could say the same about the Optima too.
 
Meanwhile the "daring" '06-09 Fusion (an excellent car in most respects) seems like last year's trendy look.
 
Incidentally, at the risk of going OT, does anyone else out there think the Cruze is a dead ringer for the Sonata/Optima?
 
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Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [stephen987] by m6user
Dec 08, 2009 (9:34 pm)
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Replying to: stephen987 (Dec 08, 2009 8:32 pm)

The '11 Sonata is a pretty radical departure from what we're used to seeing from Hyundai. However, I think if it was a Mazda, Nissan or even a Toyota design we probably wouldn't consider it as dramatic as we are because it's a Hyundai and were used to seeing some pretty bland stuff from them.
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Re: I gotta admire your devotion to... [anonymousposts] by jkobty2
Dec 08, 2009 (9:47 pm)
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Replying to: anonymousposts (Dec 06, 2009 9:28 am)

Yes we still have 3 Leganza's in the family, all 3 running very well, original engine and transmission. My friend with the Honda went through 3 transmissions by 90K when he traded his car in, before the lease was over, for another Honda. Some people never learn. But he leases his cars because he is self employed and then returns them, so he does not care what happens after 4 years.
I do not look at the brand name, and I am not loyal to any particular brand, I get the car that I like, and I feel is will be good value and looks good. I maintain it properly, and so far have not been let down.
I do tend to pick cars that eventually get a cult following. Check out on youtube the Daewoo leganza.
Some people even did music videos for their souped up Leganza's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_1e-kcYJkc
It is also in Guigiaros page
http://www.italdesign.it/dinamic/gallery/gallery_scheda.php?id=316&num_rows=1&fa- mily=p&data_p_title=Giorgetto+Giugiaro
 
I hope my new mazda6 ends up as reliable, because it surely looks good and is also attracting the same type of activity on youtube.
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Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [stephen987] by dodgeman07
Dec 08, 2009 (9:48 pm)
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Replying to: stephen987 (Dec 08, 2009 8:32 pm)

...does anyone else out there think the Cruze is a dead ringer for the Sonata/Optima?
 
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I see some similar lines but the Cruze is much smaller and aimed at the Elantra.
 
Chevy did a nice job with the Cruze and although it's technically a C segment vehicle and doesn't qualify for this thread, it's EPA Interior Volume is very close to the Malibu (110 cu.ft vs 113 cu.ft) and it has a larger truck than the Malibu to boot!
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2011 Sonata by jkobty2
Dec 08, 2009 (9:50 pm)
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I love the interior on the 2011 sonata, but I think the exterior is a bit busy.
The really nice car coming from Korea will be the 2011 KIA K7. It was designed by an Audi designer and you can easily tell from this video, especially the rear lights and front headlight treatements. A very classy car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2AiitnVj5I

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