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13339 messages, Last post on Dec 06, 2009 at 9:28 AM
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Replying to: backy (Oct 19, 2009 7:02 am) Oh, wait a minute--the Taurus has a much larger trunk. So obviously no one will cross-shop the two cars, because the Taurus is a "LARGE" car. Except that according to both Ford and Edmunds, they do. For the link-impaired, the article referenced at AutoObserver notes that the two vehicles most likely to have been considered by buyers of the 2010 Taurus are the 2010 LaCrosse and the 2010 Fusion.
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Replying to: stephen987 (Oct 19, 2009 4:36 pm) But maybe we could talk some more about the Prius, or Elantra or Sentra. All have mid-sized interiors. Yes, let's have a big thread on those why don't we? Or we could talk some more about the Outback, or even the RX-8. The new E Class is pretty nice too, maybe we could compare that sedan to the Accord, Camry, Altima, etc. |
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Replying to: 8babies1dog (Oct 19, 2009 4:33 pm) i don't buy that for a minute. lost money still comes out of someone's pocket.
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Oct 17, 2009 6:28 pm) 
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Oct 19, 2009 5:08 pm) reason. Where do you see a line drawn at any border, I didn't isolate any state or city that offers tax break incentives, and no specific type company was left out to get these incentives. You don't have to buy anything not for a minute or hour or second, there is nothing here to buy. This is an open forum about midsize sedans not ebay. No money comes out of anyone pocket and no money is lost unless that Company decides to open somewhere else, then your state, county or city, gets absolutely NOTHING. So you have just lost maybe thousands of jobs for your area, people who need work to get off unemployment, to buy food for their family and of course to pay (you guessed it taxes) plus w/ the money they now earn they can buy more stuff and again pay more taxes, just like we all do, at least the ones that or lucky enough to have that company near to work for. The tax break that company's gets don't mean tax free, they still have to pay a certain % of local and state taxes on what they have to buy to operate, so more taxes for the area again. The product this company makes will sell and here we go again more sales tax f/ your area. Now what if the company has a profit on those sales, "not more taxes" yep more taxes. If they ship out anything, mail anything, pay utilities, or a dollar is exchanged coming in or going out someone has to foot the tax bill, money earned money spent, tax is paid. What a deal for the tax collector, their investment, wine and dine that company and pray they come. That is where the money comes from to give to the corporations that can't manage their money, such as major car makers, billions on top of billions many billions of our hard earned money in hopes to stay in business for several more months then go bankrupt anyway. Was that the lost money you were referring to? O I must have miss understood! SORRY:
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Replying to: phaetondriver (Oct 19, 2009 9:34 am) I sat in a Taurus SHO that was in the dealer showroom when I was buying the Fusion, and that car is awesome, for $45K it had better be. The sleek design of the dash and how it wraps around like a cockpit, the seats are very comfortable, sitting in the back was like sitting on a sofa, you sank into the seats, and the trunk is massive, it is bigger than the Crown Vic trunk. Though not as big as a Grand Marquis or Town Car, it is still larger than most, but I wouldn't class it as a Full SIze, as it is still several inches narrower than the Full Size cars, and not as long, and it is FWD. To me a full size car is RWD as that is what I grew up with, big station wagons, RWD, V8 engines, at least 5 feet wide inside between the doors. There aren't any like that made except for the GM and TC. The Taurus is high end midsize, but not full size. The Prius is not midsize, not yet at least, it is still a compact, and only slightly larger than a Corolla inside. The Fusion, although slightly less interior room inside than the Camry, actually feels roomier due to its layout. And for those who think the Fusion is mediocre, hah you couldn't be more wrong. Chevy has a LONG way to go before they can get up to the Fusions standards of quality, fit and finish, and they are not that good looking. Look at the side bar, with the exception of the Malibu because it has only 1 review, the Fusion is on top, 60 reviews with a 9.3, Camry with 50 reviews only an 8.6, Accord only has 2 reviews, so discount that one as well, and the Aura, 16 reviews and only a 7.4. These aren't magazine reviews, these are owner reviews, which matter more to me as they are more honest since money isn't traded as can happen with a Magazine review.
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Replying to: 8babies1dog (Oct 19, 2009 11:13 pm) And while the Taurus and other cars may not be as large as the crown vic, town car, DTS, etc. - they're about as large as cars are likely to be over the next few years. The days of the land yachts are over. |
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Replying to: acdii (Oct 20, 2009 5:08 am) I don't really understand your insistence that the Taurus is a midsize sedan. Direct quote from Ford's website on the new Taurus: "It's America's Most Innovative Full Size Sedan". In a subnote it says "Class is full size non-luxury sedan". It's longer, wider and taller than the Chrysler 300(a rear wheel drive full sizer) as well as wider/higher and weighs more than a Cadillac DTS. Like I saw on ESPN last night. C'MON MAN! Just because it doesn't fit the perception of full size car from your youth doesn't change the facts. I also don't put as much faith in the consumer reveiws on the sidebar as you do. I personally have always been quite enamored with my new vehicle choice for the first couple of months until I get used to the new car smell and start noticing little things that may bug me. So I think they are often(not always) biased from an ego and money invested standpoint. As far as I know it has never been proven that money has been passed for a good review in any of the major auto magazines. Do auto companies advertise in these mags? Sure, but I haven't seen any connection between the amount of advertising dollars from a particular manufacturer and the results of a professional review. That would kill that magazine, I would think, if it was proven. So anyway, if you do know of any proof to the contrary, it would nice of you to enlighten us. |
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Replying to: m6user (Oct 20, 2009 6:01 am) I'm not sure I consider them "full size," though--just as I don't really think of the Avalon and Azera as "full size." It may be that we're in the middle of a redefinition of that segment. For now I will privately consider them as "relaxed fit midsize," but I won't press the point beyond the end of this post, since it evidently makes Backy extremely angry. The Grand Marquis is a foot longer than even the Taurus, and that's still what a lot of people think of when they contemplate a "full size" sedan. Of course, it's also a dated and irrelevant design, and on the verge of extinction. With the upmarket migration of the LaCrosse, the full-size FWD Lucerne also makes relatively little sense in the market, leaving the DTS as perhaps the only FWD full-size sedan--and its buyers are a dying lot. WIth this in mind, the Taurus and LaCrosse may well be the new "full-size," with the upcoming Regal becoming Buick's entry into the midsize market. With that in mind, I think we have much to look forward to in the next couple of years in the midsize market--if GM survives long enough to bring the Regal to market.
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Replying to: stephen987 (Oct 20, 2009 6:12 am) 9.1 inches but who's counting.  And I will, again, say that Ford calls it a full size, EPA calls it a full size, I call it a full size and I believe the average consumer would call it a full size. So for the sake of this discussion thread....I'm through talking about the Ford Taurus. Now the Lacrosse, as you say, may be a little harder to define. It has moved into near-luxury market positioned against the Lexus ES350 and has pretty much taken the place of the Lucerne. So I'm not sure it fits into the mainstream of this forum. The old Lacrosse certainly did but the new one has grown significantly in size and price. I agree with you as to the Regal. That may very well be a good fit for this discussion.
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