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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [akirby] by backy
Oct 19, 2009 (11:59 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Oct 19, 2009 10:35 am)

The other thing that didn't change is that it's still a LARGE car.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [backy] by akirby
Oct 19, 2009 (12:07 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 19, 2009 11:59 am)

Yes it is.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [stephen987] by plekto
Oct 19, 2009 (1:37 pm)
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Replying to: stephen987 (Oct 18, 2009 6:41 pm)

On paper not much has changed, but on the road there's a world of difference. The CTS handles vastly better and is finished to a level not available from GM in '05.
 
It's slightly better, and mostly due to better brakes and tires than anything else. The upgraded suspension option on the top end Buicks and the Cadillacs made them actually better cars by far to drive than the competition(European makes aside, of course, but then again 10-30K more money kind of SHOULD be better...).
 
It's like comparing the Lucerne CXS versus the competition it's vastly, no WORLDS better than the non CXS mode(stabilitrak/magnetic suspension/V8/etc).
 
It handles great for its size, has tons of torque, and is a beautiful car that reminds you of what Mercedes was making in their mid to late 90s S class. Which is high praise indeed if GM can equal Mercedes older models in ten years time, give or take. That they decided to update it and make it the basis for the new LaCrosse is a good thing. Just PLEASE get/try to top end suspension and engine version. It's well worth the time to find one.
 
BTW, the LaCrosse CXS with the suspension upgrade is about 30K if you haggle and after rebates/etc. It's nearly the same car to drive as the CTS for less money(and dare I say, nicer interior and exterior as well)
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [backy] by explorerx4
Oct 19, 2009 (1:38 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 17, 2009 7:48 pm)

i found the article. crazy guy. another reason not to buy a car that was a rental.
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Re: 2011 Hyundai Sonata- Game Changer? [backy] by colloquor
Oct 19, 2009 (1:52 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 19, 2009 10:21 am)

Backy, you may have her possibly re-think the Altima, especially due some of the stories that exist within the Nissan forum regarding the CVT. Nissan's continually improving the transmission, but a number of posts relate to continued problems with the CVT. When it's time for replacement - some have been as early as 50K or less - it's not a rebuild, but a $4K to $5K replacement. No problem during the warranty, but a big problem out of warranty.
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Re: 2011 Hyundai Sonata- Game Changer? [colloquor] by backy
Oct 19, 2009 (2:01 pm)
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Replying to: colloquor (Oct 19, 2009 1:52 pm)

I don't have to rethink anything... I'm not the one buying the car. I'm not crazy about the Altima myself, but my friend seems to like how it drives. Maybe she'll really like the Fusion when she goes to drive it.
 
Question: are these reports for the CVT on the Altima for all engines, or just the V6? I always wondered if a CVT could handle the kind of power that the Altima's V6 puts out.
 
Also, I expect if this becomes a major problem, Nissan will have to do something like extend the warranty on the CVTs, otherwise it won't sell many CVT-equipped cars.
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Re: 2011 Hyundai Sonata- Game Changer? [8babies1dog] by explorerx4
Oct 19, 2009 (2:49 pm)
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Replying to: 8babies1dog (Oct 19, 2009 9:47 am)

i was going to work with you on hyundai being a competitive vehicle until you said they took no money.
maybe you missed the millions in tax breaks from the state to build there.
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Re: 2011 Hyundai Sonata- Game Changer? [explorerx4] by m6user
Oct 19, 2009 (4:03 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Oct 19, 2009 2:49 pm)

Good point! Sen. Shelby conveniently seemed to forget that when he was putting the auto execs through the fifth degree.
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Re: 2011 Hyundai Sonata- Game Changer? [backy] by m6user
Oct 19, 2009 (4:27 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 19, 2009 2:01 pm)

I wonder about the CVT handling a lot of hp/torque as well cause they do feel like a rubber band sometimes. '10 Legacy I4=CVT. '10 Legacy 6 cyl=reg slushbox. You'd think if the CVT was the answer Nissan would use them in their Infiniti line but they are putting 7 speed autos in those cars with over 300hp. Could be that the Infiniti buyer might not like a CVT but you have to wonder.
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Re: 2011 Hyundai Sonata- Game Changer? [explorerx4] by 8babies1dog
Oct 19, 2009 (4:33 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Oct 19, 2009 2:49 pm)

Good point, at least we agree on Hyundai being competitive. Now about the money
 issue. Do you know that mostly all states offer tax break incentives to anybody
willing to move their business there not just car makers, any legal business bigger
the better. Cities do the same thing and have special comities that go around the
world to negotiate deals to have them come here, it is even very competitive between states. Case in point Louisiana and another state just went toe to toe to
get a very large overseas steel company to come here. Hundreds off millions of
tax breaks were offered by those states. A tax break will not put cash in the hand
to get a business started nor will it bail it out. As you said tax break from the state
not our tax $. Not even close to the 25 (billion+) our $ to keep failing car co. afloat!!

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