Last post on Dec 08, 2013 at 6:14 AM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#20208 of 20217 Re: City MPG and whatnot..... [explorerx4]
Dec 07, 2013 (11:08 am)
I had a 10% off coupon from Bridgestone, plus I got the 4th tire for free when Merchant's was running that promotion in August.
Merchant's didn't want to use the coupon in conjunction with the BOGO but the manager got it done. They have always been good to me FYI. The tires continue to show no wear at all. Nexen's = crap.
#20209 of 20217 Re: City MPG and whatnot..... [cski]
Dec 07, 2013 (11:18 am)
I have no doubt the interior materials are improved - the existing Mustang has some of the cheapest, nastiest interior materials around. Ford should have been ashamed of themselves. So that isn't a very high bar to surpass. But the design in the new car is just ugly. Very busy and disjointed. Dunno when Ford is going to make an impressive interior. It just doesn't seem within their capabilities.
#20210 of 20217 Re: City MPG and whatnot..... [ab348]
Dec 07, 2013 (11:36 am)
Then you're in the minority. Most think the design is gorgeous and a big improvement. It will appeal to die hard mustang fans as well as import buyers.
#20211 of 20217 Re: City MPG and whatnot..... [akirby]
Dec 07, 2013 (12:11 pm)
The new design stacks up better against the Camaro in my opinion. Sales should improve.
#20212 of 20217 Re: City MPG and whatnot..... [akirby]
Dec 07, 2013 (12:35 pm)
That's OK. The automotive press and car geeks tend to freak out when a new model is introduced. Look at the splash the current Fusion made when it was introduced. People were saying all sorts of over-the-top things about it. It is a solid contender and a competent car, but certainly hasn't blown the competition out of the water and isn't head and shoulders above the rest.
I don't understand the popularity of the current Camaro either. It has a terrible interior, is way too big, and you can't see out of it. I can't imagine living with one every day. I like the current Mustang a lot better. I'm not so sure the new one stacks up as well as the current model. But we'll wait until we see one in the flesh.
#20214 of 20217 Definitely Buy Again?
Dec 07, 2013 (7:23 pm)
The new issue of Consumer Reports has a page called "Owners Weigh In: The Best and Worst Models. For "definitely buy again" for midsize cars, the results were:
Passat TDI 83%
200 (6 cyl) 62%
200 (4 cyl) 56%
#20215 of 20217 Re: Passat [benjaminh]
Dec 07, 2013 (8:35 pm)
When checking out the Accord, did you happen to enquire about Honda's measures taken with the new DI engine in the Accord, to ensure it does not deposit excess oil that burns itself to the bottom of valve lobes, etc? thereby creating a carbon buildup, that with time will create a higher CR and the need to start fueling it with PUG to fend off the ping. Apparently premature and excessive carbon buildup goes hand in hand with these newer DI gas engines.
I suspect that conservative Toyota is still perfecting a DI engine of some sort..but they sure don't need to have anymore engine woes come to mind for shoppers now after the oil sludge scene. I think that there is just enough different content in our gas vs the EUs, that ours don't burn as clean. Remember when we had MMT in it? The EU weren't using that crap during those years either..I don't think..
#20216 of 20217 Re: Definitely Buy Again? [jplatt2]
Dec 08, 2013 (5:43 am)
Did they say, were these the current designs or did the ownership experience go back a-ways? If current designs, the ownership experience would range from less than a year (e.g. Mazda6) to several years (e.g. Sonata, 200, Legacy).
I'm surprised the Legacy and Altima scored as low as they did. Subaru owners tend to be pretty loyal, and the Altima is a solid car, far better than the likes of the 200 and Malibu IMO.
#20217 of 20217 Re: Definitely Buy Again? [backy]
Dec 08, 2013 (6:14 am)
Those results are not particularly surprising to me. Both Subaru and Mazda were typically only bought by the cultists for each make, for the most part. I think that still holds true for the Mazda, judging from its low sales volume, so its high score is not a surprise. But Subaru has become hot the last couple of years and people are buying them who would never consider them before. That probably pulled their score down some as new buyers cope with some of the things that are unusual or quirky about Subarus. It is still a decent score.
I am also not surprised by the Accord and Camry scores as buyers of those tend to be very loyal and think they have the best cars in the world. The makes having scores in the 60s represent the center of the market, not particularly loyal one way or the other. Buy an Altima this time around, something different next time. No real surprise.