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#13121 of 14306 Re: Suzuki Kizashi [m6user] by stephen987 Oct 20, 2009 (7:12 am)
Replying to: m6user (Oct 20, 2009 7:01 am) The Taurus is indeed a foot longer than a Sonata or Camry. But the LaCrosse splits the difference almost exactly. The LaCrosse and Taurus are comparably priced and equipped--half a step beyond the Camry/Sonata/Accord.   I'm not sure I consider them "full size," though--just as I don't really think of the Avalon and Azera as "full size." It may be that we're in the middle of a redefinition of that segment. For now I will privately consider them as "relaxed fit midsize," but I won't press the point beyond the end of this post, since it evidently makes Backy extremely angry.   The Grand Marquis is a foot longer than even the Taurus, and that's still what a lot of people think of when they contemplate a "full size" sedan. Of course, it's also a dated and irrelevant design, and on the verge of extinction. With the upmarket migration of the LaCrosse, the full-size FWD Lucerne also makes relatively little sense in the market, leaving the DTS as perhaps the only FWD full-size sedan--and its buyers are a dying lot.   WIth this in mind, the Taurus and LaCrosse may well be the new "full-size," with the upcoming Regal becoming Buick's entry into the midsize market.   With that in mind, I think we have much to look forward to in the next couple of years in the midsize market--if GM survives long enough to bring the Regal to market. Replies to this message: m6user (Oct 20, 2009 8:24 am) akirby (Oct 20, 2009 8:31 am) vanman1 (Nov 08, 2009 8:34 pm)
#13122 of 14306 Re: Suzuki Kizashi [stephen987] by m6user Oct 20, 2009 (8:24 am)
Replying to: stephen987 (Oct 20, 2009 7:12 am) The Grand Marquis is a foot longer than even the Taurus   9.1 inches but who's counting. And I will, again, say that Ford calls it a full size, EPA calls it a full size, I call it a full size and I believe the average consumer would call it a full size. So for the sake of this discussion thread....I'm through talking about the Ford Taurus.   Now the Lacrosse, as you say, may be a little harder to define. It has moved into near-luxury market positioned against the Lexus ES350 and has pretty much taken the place of the Lucerne. So I'm not sure it fits into the mainstream of this forum. The old Lacrosse certainly did but the new one has grown significantly in size and price. I agree with you as to the Regal. That may very well be a good fit for this discussion. Replies to this message: akirby (Oct 20, 2009 8:31 am)
#13123 of 14306 Re: Suzuki Kizashi [m6user] by akirby Oct 20, 2009 (8:31 am)
Replying to: m6user (Oct 20, 2009 8:24 am) The main point is that the Taurus and other similar vehicles are larger than the normal midsize sedans so they should be in a different class. The Accord is in between. The old definition of full size sedan just isn't applicable anymore.
#13124 of 14306 Re: 2011 Hyundai Sonata- Game Changer? [backy] by colloquor Oct 20, 2009 (8:38 am)
Replying to: backy (Oct 19, 2009 3:01 pm) Backy - Evidently you misread my post, I didn't say "you" needed to rethink anything, only your friend. Sorry...   This appears to be across the board, as the CVT with the 1.8L in the Versa has been a problem too. And, depending on the vehicle, it's very difficult to buy a 6-speed manual without a special order. For example, my next door neighbor's daughter has been looking for a Cube with the manual, and only 4 exist in a 200 mile radius. It appears their stocking percentage for manuals is less than 5%.   I've driven the CVT in the Altima, and in the Murano - both rentals, and I like the transmission. But, the continued horror stories of major replacement costs, and rumors of expensive periodic fluid changes scare me away from one for my own use.
#13126 of 14306 Re: 2011 Hyundai Sonata- Game Changer? [akirby] by 8babies1dog Oct 20, 2009 (10:57 am)
Replying to: akirby (Oct 20, 2009 6:55 am) Thank you very much (akirky) you have summarized my sentiments exactly!!!!   It is a fairly large car for today's standards, according to FO MO CO specs:   Length 201.8" Width 74.5" Height 61.5" Weight 3741 Interior volume 108.0 cu ft (not 101 that someone mentioned) Cargo space  space 21.1 cu ft with seats in place total interior 129.2 cu ft   Just for comparison the 2009 Sonata is EPA rated large mainly because of the interior volume which is 105.4 cu ft passenger and 16.4 cu ft cargo total interior, 121.8 one of the largest in it,s class not length or width but weight and Int volume. Substantial difference, I compared them to each other to make a purchase. Thanks for the reply. Replies to this message: m6user (Oct 20, 2009 12:17 pm) stephen987 (Oct 20, 2009 3:19 pm) 8babies1dog (Oct 20, 2009 6:30 pm)
#13128 of 14306 Re: 2011 Hyundai Sonata- Game Changer? [8babies1dog] by m6user Oct 20, 2009 (12:17 pm)
Replying to: 8babies1dog (Oct 20, 2009 10:57 am) Something strange here. I just went to the Ford site and copied(cut and paste) some specs for the Taurus as follows: Wheelbase (in.) 112.9 Length (in.) 202.9 Height (in.) 60.7 Width (in.) (excluding mirrors) 76.2   These are the same specs Edmunds has on it's site for the it. I couldn't find the weight on the Ford site but Edmunds has it at 4015 lbs. These numbers are quite different than yours. Are you sure your numbers were for the Taurus? Replies to this message: stephen987 (Oct 20, 2009 3:19 pm) 8babies1dog (Oct 20, 2009 6:30 pm)
#13129 of 14306 Re: 2011 Hyundai Sonata- Game Changer? [m6user] by stephen987 Oct 20, 2009 (3:19 pm)
Replying to: m6user (Oct 20, 2009 12:17 pm) m6user: Yours are also the stats I found at carsdirect.com. That site lists the Taurus as having 102 cu ft of interior volume (identical to LaCrosse, very close to Sonata and Accord) and 20 cu ft of trunk volume.
#13130 of 14306 Re: 2011 Hyundai Sonata- Game Changer? [8babies1dog] by explorerx4 Oct 20, 2009 (4:23 pm)
Replying to: 8babies1dog (Oct 20, 2009 12:13 am) i hope it works for hyundai and the local population and they avoid vw's mistakes   i wanted an awd mid size, so I had a pretty short list, veering back toward topic. Replies to this message: stephen987 (Oct 20, 2009 4:39 pm) m6user (Oct 20, 2009 4:52 pm) berri (Oct 20, 2009 6:20 pm) and 3 more... explorerx4 (Oct 21, 2009 4:28 pm)

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