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#17460 of 18220 Re: VW [backy] by ivan_99

Feb 05, 2013 (12:40 am)

Replying to: backy (Feb 04, 2013 6:01 pm)
I like the Sonata too
 
I lean more towards the Optima because of the more angular lines, but the Sonata really is a looker in the category.

#17461 of 18220 Re: In the Market [benjaminh] by bb49

Feb 05, 2013 (5:15 pm)

Replying to: benjaminh (Feb 02, 2013 7:12 am)
The bland dated and uninspired styling is precisely why Honda has lost my sale. Honda continues to make boring appliances. I just tried the new Fusion, the styling is just so much more attractive that placed side by side the Accord looks dated. I tried the rear windows in te Fusion, and they do roll all the way down.

#17462 of 18220 Re: In the Market [bb49] by benjaminh

Feb 05, 2013 (8:22 pm)

Replying to: bb49 (Feb 05, 2013 5:15 pm)
I like the style of the Accord better than the Fusion.
 
But obviously everybody gets to pick their own favorite.
 
Congrats on the car!

#17463 of 18220 Re:Sonata and Optima by cski

Feb 06, 2013 (7:02 am)

Replying to: ivan_99 (Feb 05, 2013 12:40 am)
The following is for potential buyers who may be viewing this site:
 
I also loved the Sonata when it came out. A neighbor came home with a 2011 black SE 2.4 with dual exhaust and fogs. We talked for 1/2 about it. 3 months later I bought the 2012 Optima version. ($24,260 EX base in Spicy red).
 
I found that the Optima was more to my liking as well. It looks a lot like the Lexus GS 250/350; a great looking entry level luxury sedan.
 
14 months later, I still love it. Not one thing has broken after hundreds of commutes into DC. I would recommend it to anyone.
 
However, there are a ton of fresh faces to choose from in this segment. The Fusion, Altima, Mazda6, Accord and Passat should be seriously considered and test driven before making a decision on ownership.
 
Happy hunting!

#17464 of 18220 Owner experience - 13 Accord EX-L vs. 11 Sonata Ltd by yoonny

Feb 08, 2013 (9:42 am)

We were perfectly happy with Sonata but I like to try different cars for a lease so I leased the Accord EX-L 4 cyl in December. After driving it for over a month, there are lots of little things that makes this car not as comfortable as the Sonata. Here are the things that you might not notice at first but becomes annoyances once you own it for a while:
 
Accord annoyances:
Storage space (door, center console, armrest) are all pitifully small. Sonata wins it big time here with its big storage spaces and little nooks everywhere.
Short front seat bottom makes it less comfortable.
Automatic headlights go on and off on a bright day when the car gets into slightly darker spots.
Trunk is narrow and the wheel well takes away more space.
No HomeLink for garage door - Are you kidding me for an EX?
No light in the glove compartment. Come on Honda!
Poor cupholder location - Sonata's forward location next to the shifter is more preferred.
No place to put coins.
Door armrest is useless as it is so low.
Hanging accelerator pedal - Sonata's is attached to the floor which make it way more comfortable (per my wife).
Keyless entry - No way to open all doors without using the remote from the driver's side.
Rear seat leg space - The floor bump is much higher than the Sonata's.
 
Accord positives:
Memory seats - Sonata lacks this.
Back up camera
Nice steering wheel with nice controls.
Clear instrument panel.
 
Tie:
Design
Leather quality
Interior space
Driving dynamics (yes Accord seems better here but if you drive the way most family sedan owners drive, there is no real difference).
Bluetooth/USB - Bluetooth in these cars are still not optimal.
CVT vs. normal transmission - There really isn't much of a difference.
 
Overall, the Sonata is much better "family" sedan. It is not all about how well the car drives, it is more about how comfortable the car is for a family. And to pay slightly more for Accord for what I think is getting less of a car adds to my vote for Sonata. We will just have to wait for this lease is up. Oh well.

#17465 of 18220 Re: Owner experience - 13 Accord EX-L vs. 11 Sonata Ltd [yoonny] by pegasus17

Feb 08, 2013 (9:53 am)

Replying to: yoonny (Feb 08, 2013 9:42 am)
REF: 17464
Thanks for the detailed post. My Sonata lease is up shortly and the Accord is #1 on my list. I will review your nits to make sure I don't have buyers remorse. As a second choice, i am looking at the optima with the convenience PLUS pkg (backup camera, high-tech mirror with Homelink). Optima has a $1500 price advantage for me due to incentives and that is why it's still a player. Need to do another test drive and look at some details i may have overlooked on short test drive.

#17466 of 18220 Re: Owner experience - 13 Accord EX-L vs. 11 Sonata Ltd [yoonny] by backy

Feb 08, 2013 (10:05 am)

Replying to: yoonny (Feb 08, 2013 9:42 am)
What have you found wrt fuel economy?
 
A big reason I went with the 2013 Sonata GLS vs. an Accord late last year was cost. Hyundai had aggressive lease prices for a loaded GLS (every option including homelink mirror) and gave me a very generous trade in for my 2007 Sonata (beat up, but they have their own body shop so I bet they made out OK on that). All in all I saved $3,000 over 3 years on the lease with the Sonata vs. an Accord LX--assuming the Honda dealer would give me at least as good a deal on my trade as Hyundai.
 
For what my wife uses the car for, she would notice no significant difference drive-wise but does appreciate the extra features on the Sonata such as the heated seats and trick mirror. And I think the Sonata is a better looking car inside and out than the Accord, esp. the LX.
 
If the cars were priced similarly, I would have given the Accord a very close look. But at the pricing available back then, it was no contest.

#17467 of 18220 2013 Fusion Fuel Tank Size? by fury63

Feb 08, 2013 (11:01 am)

So I have around 7K miles on my '13 Fusion Titanium. And while I am very happy with it overall, the one disappointment has been the fuel tank capacity. The specs state a 16.5 gallon tank but I'll be damned if I can get more than 12 gallons in when the fuel warning light comes on (maybe 30 miles to empty?). Ford dealer initially said it's reserve. I've never seen 25% reserve (4+ gallons). I pushed back and they are in discussions with Ford about this but as of yet no conclusion. My last car had an 18 gallon tank so for long trips this becomes a pain having to stop more frequently - especially in the winter where I don't like to push it.
 
Any other '13 Fusion owners out there experience this?
 
I'm wondering if they installed the Hybrid tank - which I believe is 13-14 gallons - by mistake...

#17468 of 18220 Re: 2013 Fusion Fuel Tank Size? [fury63] by scwmcan

Feb 08, 2013 (11:18 am)

Replying to: fury63 (Feb 08, 2013 11:01 am)
Actually it is quite common to have that large a reserve when the fuel light comes on, my Matrix has a quarter tank left in it for example. I think this is partly due to the in tank pumps, while it is okay to occasionally drive lower than the fuel light, it could affect reliability of the pump if you drive it at the bottom on the tank all the time, I think the manufactures are co erring their behinds and making it so the light comes on very early so they get your attention.

#17469 of 18220 Re: 2013 Fusion Fuel Tank Size? [fury63] by ivan_99

Feb 08, 2013 (2:26 pm)

Replying to: fury63 (Feb 08, 2013 11:01 am)
I've never seen 25% reserve (4+ gallons).
 
Our 05 Nissan Quest is similar. It's about 21 Gallons and I can drive it below the E-mpty...but still it will only take about 16-17 gallons. I once drove so low I thought I'd run out...over a hundred miles more than I should have...and only put 18 gallons in (the most I've ever put in).
 
I see it as a suggestion...next few days I need to fill up.

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