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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17144 of 20187 Re: Breaking promises and deadlines.... [wayne21]
Nov 14, 2012 (7:07 pm)
Thanks Wayne21. My car was built at the Westpoint, GA plant.
People don't have to order Sonata's and Optima's because they are affordable mid-size sedans and not an Aston Martin Vanquish or a Rolls.
Why would I order a Ford Fusion and wait 6 mo's for it?
I owned 94 SHO , so I like Ford just fine.
#17146 of 20187 Re: Breaking promises and deadlines.... [cski]
Nov 14, 2012 (8:13 pm)
What does cost have to do with ordering? The delays will be over with in a month or two and there won't be any more delays for the next 5 or 6 years. Much ado about nothing.
#17147 of 20187 Re: Breaking promises and deadlines.... [akirby]
Nov 15, 2012 (7:26 am)
The delays will be over with in a month or two and there won't be any more delays for the next 5 or 6 years. Much ado about nothing.
Agreed...being 1st on the block with the "latest" always includes a down-side.
I'm willing to bet there will be initial quality/reliability problems as well...usually is.
If you want to be the first with an iPhone you have to wait in long lines...this doesn't take away from it's excellence; it just indicates what you're willing to go through to be the first.
Not to diminish anybody's disappointment...I'd be PO'd if my order were delayed, especially when I'm eagerly anticipating it.
#17148 of 20187 Re: Breaking promises and deadlines.... [ivan_99]
Nov 15, 2012 (7:59 am)
Back in September they shipped the stamping dies for the left and right body sides to Arizona by truck and rented a huge aircraft to fly them back to Detroit to be fixed, then flown back to Arizona and back to Hermosillo by truck. That's why they have this batch and hold inspection process - to find problems before they show up at the dealer.
Once fixed these problems should not reoccur.
#17149 of 20187 Re: Breaking promises and deadlines.... [akirby]
Nov 15, 2012 (8:30 am)
'...then flown back to Arizona ...'
Wow - THAT sounds expensive.
Stamping dies that size must be very heavy.......
#17150 of 20187 Re: Breaking promises and deadlines.... [rayainsw]
Nov 15, 2012 (11:04 am)
It required a Hercules transport plane and I think there were 2 complete dies - top and bottom left and right sides so I imagine they were REALLY heavy. Sounds like they had them fixed and back in service within a week or so which is really fast considering.
As someone else said - you don't always want to see inside the sausage factory.
#17151 of 20187 Re: Breaking promises and deadlines.... [dodgeman07]
Nov 15, 2012 (6:39 pm)
12,000 miles later and there have been zero problems with my car. None. As a matter of fact, very few had to wait for their Korean car. Do we want to be a whole subsidiary of Asia? Keep it up America, and that is what we have to look forward to.
Hope you are listening Ford, as you are the last and only US manufacturer that I WOULD still buy a car from.
This is what I responded to. The KIAs are made in Georgia and provide a lot of work for people in that part of Georgia and nearby Alabama towns. (The sonata is built in Montgomery Alabama. I've toured that factory and it is really awesome.) For every factory employee about 12 jobs are created to support him. That is a lot of employment and money provided to a lot of local people. As for the Asians or anyone else, there is a 25 percent tax on any car imported to the US - compliments of the UAW lobbying in the 1970s because noone would buy american at that time. That is why so many of the foreign-based car companies have built factories in the US (avoiding the 25 percent import tax).... non-union as a rule so as not to have the UAW ruin them. As for buying ford, the fusion is built in Hermasillo Mexico. My brother recently purchased a new camaro - an american muscle car. The motor and transmission were made in mexico and the car was assembled in Oshawa Canada.
#17152 of 20187 Re: Breaking promises and deadlines.... [wayne21]
Nov 15, 2012 (9:37 pm)
The 25% "chicken tax" as it's known only applies to light trucks. It does not apply to mid sized sedans or cars in general. Those are built here for other reasons.
#17153 of 20187 Re: Breaking promises and deadlines.... [akirby]
Nov 16, 2012 (7:12 am)
Nonetheless, the point is made. What constitutes an American car is subject to endless debate. To call cars built by for example Ford "American" simply because it is an American-based company does not solve it. It is not just the jobs that go to Mexico and Canada when "American" models are built there, but what about Fords built and sold in Europe, South America and Asia? Should locals there stop buying them, even though Ford provides a huge number of jobs in those countries, simply because it is a foreign company? I think not. Buy what you want and let competition improve the entire field.