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Re: 2010 Mid-Size Sedan Comparisons, Opinions, Etc [acdii] by smarty666
Nov 11, 2009 (8:09 am)
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Replying to: acdii (Nov 11, 2009 6:07 am)

actually I agree with you to a point about the rearview camera, while I do enjoy it and use it quite often, it still is no substitute for looking in the mirrors and physically turning your head to check and make sure no one is there because the camera can't show you everything: the camera is really only handy if your backing into a tight parking spot, such as in a parking garage or outside lot, other than that it is just a helpful aid;
 
 I think the rearview cameras are more helpful on bigger SUVs then sedans, especially ones that have all the rear windows tinted because it is much harder to physically see out the back of a SUV with tinted window because they have more blind spots then a four door sedan with no tinted windows
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No V6 in the '11 Sonata? by m6user
Nov 17, 2009 (7:38 am)
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Here is a quote from an article on Augtoblog.com.
 
"When the swoopy new 2011 Sonata goes into production at Hyundai's plant in Alabama early next year, it won't offer a V6 engine anymore, but it will get the company's first ever direct-injected engine. This week in South Korea, Hyundai took the wraps off its 2.4-liter Theta II GDI four-cylinder. Like similar engines from other automakers, Hyundai's engineers have taken advantage of the charge cooling effect of direct injection by boosting the compression ratio to 11.3:1. As a result the engine produces 198 hp and 184 pound-feet of torque at 4,250 rpm in Korean spec."
 
Take it for what it's worth. Backy said it wouldn't happen but this looks a little more definitive. I have a hard time believing they would give up the V6 as well as all the other midsize cars have a V6. Maybe they are trying to steer the power hungry to their more expensive offerings or, heaven forbid, are actually trying to start a trend instead of following them!
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Re: No V6 in the '11 Sonata? [m6user] by stephen987
Nov 17, 2009 (9:12 am)
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Replying to: m6user (Nov 17, 2009 7:38 am)

I suspect that one of two things will happen: (a) they'll end up steering V6 customers into a next-generation Azera, which may well be just a stretched version of the 2011 Sonata, or (b) they'll roll out a V6 for the 2012 Sonata, probably in January of 2011.
 
I would have no trouble with the power of the 2011 Sonata--it's very close to the output figures for my 2002 Accord V6. But the midsize sedan market in the US is full of people who, despite all evidence to the contrary, are convinced that a four-cylinder midsize car must by definition be underpowered. Many of those folks haven't driven one since about 1992, but they're still convinced.
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Re: No V6 in the '11 Sonata? [stephen987] by fushigi
Nov 17, 2009 (9:32 am)
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Replying to: stephen987 (Nov 17, 2009 9:12 am)

It's not necessarily about power. The added power of a V6 is nice but for me it's the NVH. Make, model, and engine size doesn't matter; every single 4 cyl I've ever driven or ridden in - Asian, domestic, martian, old or recent - has had NVH levels I personally find unacceptable. Be it buzzing at higher revs or roughness at idle, I simply don't like them. And as I can afford to avoid that problem by buying a V6-equipped machine, I will do so. Apparently not from Hyundai, though (nor from Mitsubishi BTW as they've dropped the V6 option from the '10 Galant).
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Re: No V6 in the '11 Sonata? [fushigi] by mickeyrom
Nov 17, 2009 (9:47 am)
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Replying to: fushigi (Nov 17, 2009 9:32 am)

What is NVH?
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Re: No V6 in the '11 Sonata? [mickeyrom] by m6user
Nov 17, 2009 (10:03 am)
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Replying to: mickeyrom (Nov 17, 2009 9:47 am)

I believe it's something like noise, vibration and harshness or something like that. Here's some more info on the new engine.
 
With the output of 201 horsepower at6300rpm and 25.5 kg.m at 4250rpm, the all-new 2.4L Theta II engine is far ahead of the rest of the class, surpassing all American and Japanese competitors.
 
This would put it ahead in I4 hp in the midsize class including the 200hp Passat.
 
It would really be interesting to see this engine in a new redesigned Elantra or even the current Forte. They would be hot little buggies.
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Re: No V6 in the '11 Sonata? [m6user] by tenpin288
Nov 17, 2009 (10:14 am)
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Replying to: m6user (Nov 17, 2009 7:38 am)

A couple things to keep in mind regarding this move,,,
 
1. Hyundai has stated that they want to lead the industry in fuel economy by the middle of the next decade. (around 2014-15 if memory serves)
 
2. Federal mileage regs are going to start going up in a few years and Hyundai wants to be ahead of the curve.
 
Also, there are rumors that the US Sonata may get a turbo version of the new I4 that should be good for 250 or so ponies. Good for power and economy too.
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Re: No V6 in the '11 Sonata? [m6user] by fushigi
Nov 17, 2009 (10:16 am)
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Replying to: m6user (Nov 17, 2009 10:03 am)

"I believe it's something like noise, vibration and harshness..."
 
Correct. How load the engine is, how buzzy it can get, how the sound reverberates in the cabin, the feeling of vibrations from the engine intruding into the passenger space, if the engine sounds like it's thrashing, etc.
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'10 Altima v6 by m6user
Nov 17, 2009 (10:26 am)
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Doing a comparison between a 09 and 10 Altima on the Edmunds "comparator" I noticed that the '10 Altima v6 is now "regular unleaded" and mpg has gone up 1 in both cty/hwy.
 
Does anyone know if that is a typo? The hp/torque is still rated the same.
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Re: No V6 in the '11 Sonata? [m6user] by backy
Nov 17, 2009 (10:49 am)
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Replying to: m6user (Nov 17, 2009 7:38 am)

Six weeks ago I was skeptical that Hyundai would pull the plug on the V6 in the Sonata in the power-mad USA, but after seeing other automakers go the same route (e.g. BMW and the new 5 Series), it makes more and more sense. With the new FE regs, I wonder how long it will be before we see other automakers follow suit? e.g. will we see a V6 on the 2013 Accord?

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