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#17427 of 18228 Re: Actual 2013 Nissan Altima CVT video..... [cski] by backy

Jan 29, 2013 (3:47 pm)

Replying to: cski (Jan 29, 2013 1:32 pm)
I guess you missed this part of my post:
 
...and 38 mpg with a 189 hp engine on the Mazda6 (vs. 38 mpg with 182 hp on the Altima).

#17428 of 18228 Re: Actual 2013 Nissan Altima CVT video..... [backy] by pegasus17

Jan 29, 2013 (4:01 pm)

Replying to: backy (Jan 29, 2013 3:47 pm)
It will be interesting to see if the Mazda 6 lives up to its EPA highway number of 38 mpg in real world driving. Too early to tell.
If you peruse the Altima forum, many are complaining that their real world mpg is nowhere near what they expected. Plus there is a recall (or TSB) on some Altima CVTs in the 2013. That is surprising since Nissan has been using CVT's for quite some time.
 
extract (not me):
"Just finished my 3rd month driving 2013 Nissan Altima 2013 2.5SL and my car has been consistently delivering 18 MPG or Below. Monitored MPG manually several times. Bringing back to the dealer for the 2nd time. Also recieved a safety recall from Nissan (campaign# PC186). CVT belt slips during driving. There is already another safety recall (campaign# PC182) that has to do with power steering rack bolts and tranverse link bolts issue.
Problem after problem with this 2013 Altima and the year 2013 has not even started yet."

#17429 of 18228 Re: Actual 2013 Nissan Altima CVT video..... [pegasus17] by m6user

Jan 29, 2013 (4:33 pm)

Replying to: pegasus17 (Jan 29, 2013 4:01 pm)
Mazda has had a good track record with attaining their stated EPA numbers in real world driving. Both before skyactiv and with the two skyactiv models the 3 and the CX-5. In fact, from what I read about the CX-5 is that most testers and owners are getting at least the EPA numbers if not better. No real reason to automatically doubt the new Mazda6 just because Hyundai was caught cheating(oops I mean making several mistakes over a long period of time on several different models). Obviously, someone getting 18mpg in a car rated at 27/38 is having a major problem of some kind. I've read lots of good reports on the Altima as well so that one needs to be sorted out some before condemanation is in order.

#17430 of 18228 Re: Actual 2013 Nissan Altima CVT video..... [pegasus17] by backy

Jan 29, 2013 (4:49 pm)

Replying to: pegasus17 (Jan 29, 2013 4:01 pm)
Odd on the Altima numbers... CR got some great FE numbers on the Altima 2.5, especially on the highway where they got well over 40 mpg in their tests. Someone who's only getting 18 mpg must be doing a lot of in-town, short-distance driving.
 
I know it's not a true mid-sized sedan (for those people tracking such things here), but my Sentra--which has a mid-sized interior at least--with the CVT has done very well in real-world driving over 3 years, exceeding its EPA numbers. But that's MY real-world driving, and I drive with a light foot and have learned to milk that CVT for all it's got. Not everyone will be able to drive that way, or want to.

#17431 of 18228 mileage by pegasus17

Jan 29, 2013 (5:49 pm)

Replying to: backy (Jan 29, 2013 4:49 pm)
for Backy:
What an intelligent statement you've made in the past:
"What a huge difference speed makes for fuel economy! Something for folks to consider when they don't see their Optimas or (Sonatas) hitting the EPA fuel economy numbers on the highway, but tend to drive at 70+ mph."
 
Something to check on your wife's Sonata:
FWIW, in my 2011 Sonata, the speedo reads 2 mph high. example: I have to drive an indicated 62mph to attain 60mph. At lower speeds, it still reads high. Confirmed with GPS, local radar, a pace car, and a few middle fingers for driving too slow.

#17432 of 18228 Re: mileage [pegasus17] by backy

Jan 29, 2013 (6:27 pm)

Replying to: pegasus17 (Jan 29, 2013 5:49 pm)
Yeah, if I ever get the thing on a highway for more than a couple of miles, I'll check it.
 
Of course speed affects fuel economy. Everyone knows that (or should know it). But I still think a car rated 35 mpg highway should be able to get better than 31 mpg cruising at 70... recall I said CRUISING. If you're kinda/sorta going 70 but passing vehicles, accelerating/decelerating/braking, some non-freeway mixed in... all bets are off!

#17433 of 18228 In the Market by tundradweller1

Feb 01, 2013 (11:51 am)

Have been shopping and test driving a few mid-sizer's:
The 2014 Mazda 6 sport was a hoot to drive, the four almost has the torque of a V-6. Rather noisy on the highway (it was windy) and the sight lines are not great, small mirrors too.Still felt more like a sports car than a sedan, though you do feel every road irregularity.
The 2013 Accord LX 4 cyl. - still looks like a grocery getter compared to most others.
decent motor, handling was surprisingly sporty, CVT a little weird though much better than the Nissan Altima which I will avoid due to CVT issues and power steering whine with no dealer fixes.
Ford Fusion, after all the issues with the first gen fusion transmissions and no fixes I'll pass. Recent recalls cropping up too.
The wife has a 2011 Sonata 2.0 T - back to the dealership numerous times for front end pull (common) they FINALLY replaced both struts. Paint chipping off, partial re-painting etc. etc. Avoiding KIA/ Hyundai for now.
Chevy, not even a consideration.
The Passat, dated, under powered and worst MPG. High long term costs.
The trend for car makers is to cram all the gee wiz gadgets into the vehicle. Trouble is what good is it if the drive train and peripherals are junk? I don't get it. Maybe I'm not a marketing guy, I just want them to work...for 200,000 miles.

#17434 of 18228 Re: In the Market [tundradweller1] by aviboy97

Feb 01, 2013 (8:30 pm)

Replying to: tundradweller1 (Feb 01, 2013 11:51 am)
The trend for car makers is to cram all the gee wiz gadgets into the vehicle. Trouble is what good is it if the drive train and peripherals are junk? I don't get it. Maybe I'm not a marketing guy, I just want them to work...for 200,000 miles.
 
Sounds like the Toyota Camry is right up your alley.

#17435 of 18228 Jan. midsize sales by benjaminh

Feb 02, 2013 (6:17 am)

Thanks to TSX at www.vtec.net for these numbers:
Camry 31,897 +8.2%
Accord 23,924 +68.1%; PHEV 2
Fusion 22,399 +64.5%
Altima 21,464 -4%
Malibu 15,823 +7.8%
Sonata 13,247
Optima 11,252
Avenger 9,628 +69%
Passat 8,856 +40.2%
200 8,846 +26%
 
The Camry continue to dominate, which is a slight surprise given that Camry was just rated Poor in the IIHS crash test:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByPAhoeU6UQ
 
But, the Camry offers a lot of bang for the buck, low financing, and the Toyota name. Also it seems like the other auto makers have been too nice to make an ad out of that video.

#17436 of 18228 Re: Jan. midsize sales [benjaminh] by romil01

Feb 02, 2013 (6:21 am)

Replying to: benjaminh (Feb 02, 2013 6:17 am)
The Camry continue to dominate, which is a slight surprise given that Camry was just rated Poor in the IIHS crash test:
 
The average consumer is incredibly ignorant and probably has no clue that the Camry performed poorly in this test. I think most Camry purchasers must blindly buy that car without any comparison testing. I don't think too many people in their right mind would actually choose a Camry over some of the newer offerings from competitors.

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