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#13336 of 13345 jkobty... by iluvmysephia1 Dec 05, 2009 (4:32 pm)
oh, I didn't know that you'd already looked at both models. And I have been corrected about the manual tranny problems in these new Kia's. I would've taken those complaints with a grain of salt, anyway, until test-driving the cars myself. I remember the shifters on both the '99 Sephia and the '01 Sportage 4X4, and both needed a bit getting used to. Not a lot, but a bit. But apparently these are non-issues to the person who corrected me. I kind of thought that they would end up being much a bit about nothing.   Both of my Kia's were fine to shift, never had a mechanical problem with either rig's clutch or tranny, either.   Yeah, the Forte Koup is one hot lookin' Mama, the car is smokin'! Should mix in well with yer midlife crisis, man.
#13337 of 13345 Re: altima 2.5 s [pipibaby] by 8babies1dog Dec 06, 2009 (6:27 am)
Replying to: pipibaby (Dec 01, 2009 10:18 pm) Just as a suggestion, search "real world prices" buy owners for the car your looking at, (search the net). I also made a post about how I do my car buying business, I was called "hardazz" by a fellow forum member (which is not an issue). I don't think everyone wants or can do it this way, it takes a little "guts" but I do have plenty of that, i.e. (US military) debating. Look back to my comment on this thread and read some replies!   8babies1dog nov 28 2009 (9:36 pm)   Feel free to reply, I have big enough shoulders to handle any good or bad responses.   I hope everyone will enjoy a great holiday season and are able to share LOVE with family and friends! Gary Lets think about our brave service people abroad that have their lives on the line for us and the whole free world everyday of the year. Extra holiday greeting to you, please return to us safe and sound, thanks very much for protecting us with your very life, "LOVE YOU" !!!!!
#13338 of 13345 The picture of the new Sonata by mickeyrom Dec 06, 2009 (6:46 am)
Never mind...I enlarged and then it made some sense.
#13339 of 13345 Re: I gotta admire your devotion to... [jkobty2] by anonymousposts Dec 06, 2009 (9:28 am)
Replying to: jkobty2 (Dec 04, 2009 8:29 pm) jkobty... long time no see. Seeing you post brought up the good ole days of the Leganza vs. Accord "discussions" we used to have! I am so amazed that the Leganza is still in your family. We have been through about 20 cars in the same time frame!
#13340 of 13345 anonymousposts... by iluvmysephia1 Dec 06, 2009 (10:12 pm)
really, man, I think that this man deserves some kudos for his 1999 Daewoo Leganza and the fact that it's still here and running well. It shows that someone with some passion for a rig can really make a difference in that rig's lifetime. jkobty has pain-stakingly(I'll be you can tell us some stories about that, jkobty!!) shown some luv to his Leganza and maintained/repaired whatever it's needed down through the years so it can still be running competently today. That is awesome, who of us can reject his statement that this car is the car of the 20th century, then? If all of the elements that make up a great car are there for jkobty, and they're workng for him on this car, then so be it, it's the car of the 21st Century. Rock On! That's concentration and that's luv for a particular car! And that's perseverance as well!   jkobty, I must tell you, I've strayed to a Japanese car for my favorite rig! It's a 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS in Rally Red metallic paintjob and automatic CVT transmission. Titanium paddle shifters, 650-watt Rockford Fosgate stereo, leather-wrapped gearknob and steering wheel, sunroof, foglights and wraparound bodykit, this car has me firmly by the shorthairs and is rocking my world. I simply love it and will give it whatever it needs to keep it running optimally.   With me it's nothing nationalistic that can run my automotive world, it is simply the best car wins for that particular year or point in time.
#13341 of 13345 Accord vs. 2011 Sonata by benjaminh Dec 08, 2009 (3:28 am)
I own two Accord sedans--an 02 LX 5 MT and an 08 EXL navi 5MT. Love both cars. I had some lemons over the years from VW, GM, and Ford, and so every day I get in one of our Accords I'm a happy man.   Mr. Soichiro Honda was an engineer, and a good one, and it seems to me that at Honda the engineers maybe have more power than at many other car companies.   When I test drove a Camry back in 02 when I bought our first Accord I could feel and sense the difference. The Camry seemed fancier, but the Accord had much sharper handling, and a nicer to shift manual transmission.   Buying the 02 Accord got rid of one of our lemons (a first year 2000 Focus--a nightmare beyond belief), but it wasn't until 2008 when we could get rid of our 1988 Oldsmobile 98, which wasn't as much of a lemon the Focus, but was mainly just a worn out old car.   Our 02 has only 60,000 miles on it, and a lot of life is left. It doesn't, however, have many safety features found on most cars today, like abs, stability, etc. I was planning on waiting until the next generation Accord arrives, probably in 2013, to replace the 02. And that's probably what we'll do.   But the 2011 Sonata really gotten my attention. I like the styling of it a lot. And then I found out a little bit about Hyundai's new direct injection engine for it--which not only has more power, but is expected to get 35 mpg on the hwy! That's the same as a Honda Fit! The rest of the Sonata package looks impressive on paper as well, with things like bluetooth available even on the entry model Sonata (love the bluetooth on our 08 Accord).   Anyway, the new Sonata does look impressive in terms of style, features, and performance on paper:   http://hyundainews.com/Media_Kits/2011_Models/Sonata/Press_Release.asp   Whether it can really be a competitor to the Accord I doubt for the following reasons--I still think Honda's quality is the top in its price area, I think the Accord's suspension is excellent, the Accord's steering is precise, and I don't think anyone makes a manual transmission as nice as that on the current Accord for a similar price.   Anyway, just wondering whether the new Sonata is going to provide real competition or not. It seems like in terms of engine technology that Hyundai may in some ways have gone beyond Honda already, which is a big shock to me. When will Accords get direct injection engines? Are there any drawbacks to this technology? Replies to this message: jeffyscott (Dec 08, 2009 6:13 am) acdii (Dec 08, 2009 6:48 am) benjaminh (Dec 08, 2009 8:10 am) m6user (Dec 08, 2009 8:40 am)
#13342 of 13345 Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [benjaminh] by jeffyscott Dec 08, 2009 (6:13 am)
Replying to: benjaminh (Dec 08, 2009 3:28 am) And then I found out a little bit about Hyundai's new direct injection engine for it--which not only has more power, but is expected to get 35 mpg on the hwy!   The Fusion S gets 34 mpg hwy. Given the rounding, the difference may be insignificant. Replies to this message: acdii (Dec 08, 2009 6:48 am) benjaminh (Dec 08, 2009 8:10 am) m6user (Dec 08, 2009 8:40 am)
#13343 of 13345 Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [jeffyscott] by acdii Dec 08, 2009 (6:48 am)
Replying to: jeffyscott (Dec 08, 2009 6:13 am) The Fusion Sport with the 3.5 V6 can get 31 MPG on the highway. Surprised me when it did.   So if Honda is so great, tell me why is it out of 14 reviews, it only scores an 8.5, yet the Fusion scores a 9.2 out of 86 reviews? Don't be so sure that the Accord is as great as you make it out to be, the Fusion is a damned fine car now, and compared to a Camry, is a much finer car too. IOW don't get tunnel vision thinking only the Honda is great, Ford is right up there and ahead of Toyota in quality and reliability. Hyundai also makes a good car, at least the Veracruz I own has been a great car, the wipers could use an improvement, they are proprietary to the Veracruz only and hard to get, but when in good shape work great. Not much of a complaint is it. It is snowing today, and it is days like this that remind me that I haven't changed the damned things yet. Why is it the drivers wiper is the one that always seems to go bad?
#13344 of 13345 Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [jeffyscott] by benjaminh Dec 08, 2009 (8:10 am)
Replying to: jeffyscott (Dec 08, 2009 6:13 am) Fusion gets 34!? Wow. That is good. I think the Accord is still at 31. The Accord is a little bigger, but it's a shock to not see the Accord at or near the top of the mark when it comes to mpg.   One area where the Honda may--or may not--be ahead of some others is for steering and handling. I think most cars in this class have gone to an electric system, which saves cost, weight, money, complexity, etc., but as far as I hear doesn't give quite as good of a feel for the road as a traditional hydraulic system, which is what I think the Accord still uses. Replies to this message: m6user (Dec 08, 2009 8:40 am)
#13345 of 13345 Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [benjaminh] by m6user Dec 08, 2009 (8:40 am)
Replying to: benjaminh (Dec 08, 2009 8:10 am) Notice that it's the Fusion S and the Fusion S only that gets 34mpg. It's the mpg economy model that is made for higher mpg by utilizing high mpg tires(usually harder and narrower) and some weight saving stuff which I'm not all that up on. The other Fusion I4 models get about the same as the Accord I believe.   From what I've read, the neat thing about the new Sonata is that it's supposed to get 35mpg on all versions and with more hp than all the others in it's class except for the Passat. The Passat Turbo takes premium fuel or at least it's recommended I think. So if it works well they will be far ahead of the competition IMO from a drivetrain aspect.

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