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Replying to: smily (Apr 15, 2009 4:42 pm)
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Replying to: topdownride (Apr 18, 2009 10:31 am) |
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Replying to: bigdadi118 (Apr 18, 2009 10:28 pm) On Saturday, we drove 50 miles to purchase the 09 EXL. Before we signed the documents, I took the van for a test drive. Stepped on the brake pedal and it was nice and firm. Started the van, and pedal went down to within one inch off the floor. To make the long story short; those brakes where as bad as our lemon 07 Odyssey when it was new. We test drove another one, different color, and those brakes were fine. Here is another article about Odyssey brakes: recall . Beware. |
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Replying to: topdownride (Apr 18, 2009 10:31 am) |
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Replying to: bigdadi118 (Apr 18, 2009 10:28 pm) Thank you very much for your replies to my inquiry, and for the many posts on this forum. My condolences go out to those who have had accidents, and I extend wishes that all are doing well. Your time and efforts will likely save others from injury or loss of life. Through your pointers I've now found the Honda Service Bulletin 07-045 (most recent issue dated March 5, 2009), which includes the 2007 Honda Odyssey, and also the New York Times article from January 14, 2009, that refers to the inclusion of the 2007 Honda Odyssey. Thank you! (It is unfortunate that these bulletins do not appear when searching the Honda Owners Site or the NHTSA site.) Having owned and done personal maintenance, repair, and restoration on cars since 1968, my impression is that dealership shops have found it a challenge to keep up with the ever more sophisticated systems. In particular, the addition of anti-lock-braking, traction-control, and stability-control systems on top of the base hydraulic system has added complexity to maintaining the braking system. Failure of components aside, the correct filling, flushing, and bleeding of the total brake system is more complex than those that have only a base system, such as my 2000 Honda Accord. For example, from my readings of the factory shop manual for the 1996 Chrysler Grand Caravan and a well regarded aftermarket shop manual for the 1997-2004 Porsche Boxster (http://www.bentleypublishers.com/isbn/9780837613338/index.html ), correctly bleeding of the ABS/TC/SC systems requires special electronic equipment to activate the valves in these systems to ensure air can be bled out. While I am not certain that the procedures described in the above manuals apply to all contemporary cars (I suspect they do), these manuals emphasize that only the base system can be bled using the manual techniques, which have served the past generation of cars and mechanics. The higher functionality systems (ABS/TC/SC) attached to the base system require special equipment and care in addition to conventional manual bleed procedure. Clearly if an ABS/TC/SC system compromises the base system by letting air into it, then eventually sufficient pressure to activate the brakes cannot be achieved. Again while I am not an expert, this suggests to me that if the soft brake pedal feel is attributable to a faulty ABS/TC/SC module, then bleeding the base system might restore a firmer feel, BUT this is only temporary situation. As the ABS/TC/SC continues to leak air into the base system, the base system will lose its effectiveness again. If an ABS/TC/SC failure introduces massive amounts of air into the base system or provides a path to relieve hydraulic pressure, then the result is a catastrophic loss of braking. If the ABS/TC/SC module is replaced, but BOTH the base and ABS/TC/SC are not properly bled, then the potential for problems still exists. Bottom line - the ABS/TC/SC system needs to be replaced with one that is not faulty, and both the base and ABS/TC/SC need to be bled correctly. I hope my local Honda dealership can service our Odyssey promptly, and that the Honda parts and processes are up to the task of providing a safe vehicle - one that provides the most basic of functions - stopping the car.
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Replying to: topdownride (Apr 26, 2009 8:45 am)
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Replying to: gmod (Apr 28, 2009 6:33 pm) |
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Are you sure they used the part from the TSB?? Is there a way to check?? I have same problem.
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Replying to: float1322 (Apr 29, 2009 7:43 am) |
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Hi, I recently purchased a used 05' Odyssey with the tow packages installed (by Honda and including both the hitch and transmission cooler). I will be pulling an 1100 lb camper trailer (Boler) with the van this summer and I'm wondering if I need to worry about installing trailer brakes or not? It could end up being as much as 1400 lbs when loaded, but I'm thinking I'll be able to offload some of this weight into the van itself (something I haven't had the option to do with the Forester we've used in the past to tow). Anyway, the manual mentions that trailer brakes should be installed when pulling anything over 1000 lbs, but I've heard through word of mouth that they aren't necessary unless I'm pulling significantly more weight. Can anyone offer advice on this? And does anyone know the approximate cost to install trailer brakes? I haven't checked into this much yet as I'm thinking I may not even need to. Thanks, Jason |
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