Last post on May 31, 2007 at 9:02 PM
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#13 of 22 These new 08 EPA figures...
Apr 20, 2007 (7:35 pm)
don't change what I really get on our Scion tC. I know when we got our 05, it said avg 29Hwy, then this year, 30MPG, for 07...so what will happen next, EPA say 28 MPG, while we are getting 32-34 in real life?
I mention this because I know the Civic gets 37-39 MPG hwy(know an owner of an 06), and 08 EPA said 35-37MPG(in what country, lol).
I know the Corolla gets 38 hwy/30 city, regular gas .
Rumors have the next gen(coming out in 08?) as 40/31-32, hwy, city.....
140HP, like the Civic(vs 126 or is is 127HP now?).
Seems like they are going to do this, since the 127HP engine is in the upcoming Scion xD, which replaces the xA.
Anyhow, even the Elantra, a so called Midsized(epa volume) car is rated 36/28, 140HP.
I have driven an 01 for rental, and got 37 one trip, and 31 was the worst, and avg on 5 tanks of gas, 10 days, 33+ MPG(6 years ago, before the tweaking of the engine).
Even my 87 Chevy Spectrum(Isuzu I-Mark) got 31 avg miles( 60% hwy, 40% city) back in the day.
So, to be honest,dunno what the deal is with low MPG by Suzuki on these smaller cars.
I do hope they get something going though.
They do build very reliable products.
That is w/o question.
take care/not offense.
#14 of 22 Some Suzuki News from last year
Apr 24, 2007 (7:13 pm)
Mentioned they sold GM stuff in Japan, btu won't anymore. Also briefly mentioned the Nissan/Suzuki hook-up deal(somewhat).
Suzuki is #3 in Japan due to their microcars, and Nissan probably did not want to become #3, so they struck the deal: Suzuki makes microcars for Nissan, Nissan gives them a rebadged(?) Frontier.
Everyone saves money on R&D, and can(hopefully) pass this along via lower MSRP's.
I am just waiting for the rumored 08 vehicles( well, 09, by introudced in about a year or so from now.... the Truck is rumored for next year, and the Verona replacement, and hopefully the Forenza/Reno replacements, too).
Suzuki does seem to take forever to update stuff( Hyundai/Kia, they change designs almost constantly... like the 2006.5 Optima, and 07? Been out only 1 year, to be honest, but they already have a refresh out as an 08 real soon, for Optima!That's how ya do it, keep upgrading every few years , not every 5).
take care/not offense.
Apr 24, 2007 (8:12 pm)
Hyundai and Kia are very aggressive car designers and engineers both. They are very, very good cars and they understand that the car buying public is looking for new designs all the time.
This Japanese car maker named Mitsubishi designed a little fireplug called the 2008 Lancer GTS and my attention went straight to it like Ronald Reagan to a jar of jellybeans.
Now I can't take my eyes off my new Rally Red Lancer GTS. I was looking for Kia to come up with a sporty 4-door in the Lancer's size class. It didn't come although the new Kia Soul design looks good. It's just that I was ready to buy and the new Kia designs were a ways off still. Plus, I absolutely love this new Lancer's body design.
Apr 24, 2007 (8:39 pm)
Lancer looks good. Might get to test drive one in 1-2 more weeks, out of curiosity(just the regular ES CVT model). Still reading 29 MPG hwy( give or take 1 or 2 either side).
The tC is still good, though. 78K miles, and we could sell the car/trade it, and Make Money, in 32 months!
And the 32-34MPG is nice(as is the hatch).
Who knows what we will buy in 09-10(or if I'll be alive).
If the Reno comes out all sporty as I read(at one time, the info disappeared on intellichoice's site, though), we'll consider it.
If the Lancer get a hatch out, maybe(MPG is a big part of it, and this 29-30MPG for Suzuki and Lancer is not cool for us, as spouse drives 125 miles per day. even 34, the tC seems not enough, with 3 per gallon gas prices about here already).
Might try the next gen Corolla( it may be boring, but if it gets 31-32 city, and 41-42 hwy, for 18K...I could probably deal with that, lol).
Lot of rumored hybrid cars(20K or less), too... from Hyundai(Elantra) to Kia Rio, to Corolla, in the next few years.
Anyhow, the Lancer is one sharp looking car, I will grant you that!
Suzuki should get on the ball, though. They want 150-200K sales in a few years, they had better diversify faster.
I really like their reliability record, but giving people want they want(or "crave") is another thing, in general.
PS: How's the Lancer mileage? Still under 30MPG(I know ya said 30.3 MPG once).
Apr 26, 2007 (7:47 am)
it's hard to tell you the '08 Lancer's exact mpg because I haven't figured it up doing the old-fashioned math yet. I plan on noting the gallons added next gassing time, so I'll figure it up and post the results when I get them.
We have averaged 37.2 mpg and 30.2 mpg on two 80-mile roundtrips to a neighboring town and, yesterday here in town the Lancer was averaging 25.2mpg! That is plenty good enough for my wife and I's needs.
For you guys a car that gets better mpg would be something to consider. The mpg of the Lancer was not an issue for us but I have a 1/2 mile drive to work is all! We go the 80 miles to Tucson and the 200 miles NW to Phoenix every so often for fun and shopping but not that often to affect our buying decision for a new rig.
We've been pleasantly surprised at the Lancer's great build material quality and great handling and ride. It's a delight to drive this sedan. A sedan with a spoiler out back and sunroof and 650-watt Rockford Fosgate stereo, that is. I am glad I spent the extra cash on these extras, I love them.
Suzuki has a great challenge winning new customers over to their lineup in America. We have so many choices.
I still really like the SX4's design and am eager to see the SX4 sedan. I think either of those would be good cars, though neither would really be able to beat my Lancer's mpg and don't look better. Even so, I like their AWD idea of the SX4 and the fact that you have the option to go FWD-only and then put it in AWD-Auto for cruising needs for a little bit better traction in sloppy weather and AWD-Lock for added traction needs times. It's a cool thing to have and from early owner reports the AWD system seems to be holding up well.
What do you think of the new Kia Soul and C'eed? Still a ways off for production on them.
Apr 26, 2007 (6:41 pm)
Mitsu sold alittle over 118K units and Suzuki alittle over 101K last year. Fairly close.
But, Mitsu is getting noticed, pubically, just by designs of their cars, let alone from Editorial praises on test drives.
Suzuki? Besides the SX4 CUV( in-laws at 17K now. Drove through 8-10 inches of snow, and got some over his bumper, throw drifts, in Feb, during a snow storm, but he got hom just fine) that looks decent, gets 28-29MPG, and 14-17K msrp( and a decent 7/100K warranty).... they sell cars, but who buys them?
I have seen maybe 1 Reno, and maybe 2 Forenza's, and the SX4 the in-laws have,in a year, in my area. I have seen a few used Mitsu's( mainly Eclipses and 1-2 Galants)..about 1 dozen all together.
Like I said before, if they repalce the Reno with something along the same lines, but updated like the SX4's, I'd seriously consider one.
Soul: out within a year. I-4 and maybe small V6. About the size of the outgoing xB.
C'eed? Heard it is being produced now, in Europe, iirc.
USA? No. On the 2 chats with kia officials , one in Dec 06, one in jan 07, on edmunds, they said No C'eed's of any kind in USA, for Europe only( Pro-Ceed is decent, but they are Rabbit sized).
Accent SE (in design, at least) covers this.
2009 is 2 years away, and there's all kinds of stuff that should be new, or replaced.
Have the tC(either replaced, or all new) next year,
some weird sporty car(supposedly) from Suzuki, and the 3 door Astra is coming out, too, late this year.
Soul next year, is coming out.
Supposedly, a 5 door Lancer might be coming out.
New Verona for Suzuki.
Coupe(possibly) for Hyundai Sonata.
isn't one of the Italian companies(affordable)coming back to USA by 09?
Yes, tons of choices.
Suzuki had better get the ball rolling,or they'll be stuck with low 100,000's sales.
I would seriously consider a decent 3 door tC competitor from them,if it were similar in anemities and options, and price(and mpg_.
A 3 version tC, with push button AWD/PT lo-gear AWD, or FWD to save on fuel, and sporty, with say 155-160HP?
Yeah! That would interest more than just me, I suspect.
See ya later.
#19 of 22 I went ahead and gassed up in Safford
Apr 26, 2007 (7:35 pm)
and totally forgot about noting how many gallons went in, so my mathematically-correct gas computation is going to have to wait a bit. We averaged 29.6 mpg for the trip today to Safford and back.
Filled up the car with Home Depot treats for the house and WalMart food goodies and other assorted items and cruised on back home.
Enjoyed the RF stereo playing the great Deep Purple tune 'Highway Star' quite a bit, listening to Ritchie Blackmore move all over the fretboard in manic style. We opened up the sunroof to look at the twilight Arizona sky. Gorgeous.
#20 of 22 Opel + Suzuki = Saturn?
May 30, 2007 (11:42 am)
Opel has unveiled the next generation Agila (photo), the compact urban car developed and produced in partnership with Suzuki.
It will make its world premiere at the IAA in Frankfurt, September 13, 2007 and will go on sale starting from spring 2008.
Let's hope Saturn gets a version for the USA!
#21 of 22 More Verona "News"
May 30, 2007 (7:57 pm)
We'll see this in Sept.
This article says a there will be a wagon, hatch, and sedan(Europe only?).
I dunno. I hope we see all 3. Here is why. Heard rumors of Suzuki keeping the Reno/Forenza, but intellichoice.com took these 2 cars down on their future car deal.
They have the SX4 sedan on there, and the Verona(in 08, as an 09?).
So, the SX4 sedan has more HP than the current Forenza/Reno(about 16 HP more), same size sedan as Forenza, so where does that leave the Reno/Forenza?
I could see the SX4 sedan replacing the Forenza, no problems(except for the lack of a few anemites, vs Forenza), that could leave the Sedan(Verona) then a hatch, to fill the void, so-to-speak( look at it this way, many sedans are larger than their smaller, hatch counterparts these days. The Versa: Sedan is around 176 inches total length, the vers 5 door hatch is a tinybit over 169 inches in total length..so Suzuki could have the verona at say 190 inches total length, then the hatch at say 182 inches...to make it seem like it takes on other cars of 180 inches total length. Ford is thinking of Mondeo for USA... why not Suzuki 5 door Verona?).
All guesses, of course. Here's hoping they do the right thing, and bring 2 or all 3 versions over in 2008.
take care/not offense.
#22 of 22 The Opel Agila looks somewhat
May 31, 2007 (9:02 pm)
like the Toyota Yaris hatch but with 4-doors. Is Saturn in the rumour mill to get a version of the Agila? From the GM/Saturn/Opel connection, eh? Interesting stuff.