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#1 of 22 Future Suzuki Cars...What Are They?
Apr 11, 2007 (4:35 pm)
Been reading "future vehicles" sites, on like intellichoice.com's, for a few years. It appears that 65-75% of their predictions, comments, on future vehicles happen(we see a production car fitting the description they put on their site).
Well, as little a 3-4 months back, they had said the Reno would have a sporty model added to the line-up, and the Forenza would be re-worked(by Suzuki).
Looked the other day, and all that was up for future vehicles was a possible Verona update, and a "new, sporty sedan"( SX4?) for 08.
They do mention "Aerio redesign"( true, but redesigned into the 07 SX4, so the name is off, and the year is off, just as "Chery" cars coming is off).
Anyhow, the stories about Forenza/Reno being re-worked, or even all new, Gone!
Forenza/Reno is Suzuki's Largest Selling Name . Has been for 3 years.
So, are they replacing the Forenza/Reno with the SX4 sedan( and maybe a hatch version, to replace Reno?).
From what I have heard is the Swift will be here, by not until 2010(next redesign).
Then a truck...Frontier(Nissan) rebadged for Suzuki, by 09.
After this... who knows?
The SX4 sedan coming out in the Fall is the size of the Forenza(or larger, but seems to have less"comfort features").
Anyone out there have ANY ideas?
At the auto show this year, they had the XL7(which had been out already, not a new vehicle),
with a "movie projector screen" on top of the car, and rigged so you could watch movies, like a mini-outdoor theater, from inside the car, IIRC.
Anyone from Edmunds know what Suzuki's future plans are?
Care to guess?
I give up.
Everyone knows that next year, Toyota will have a new Corolla.
Suzuki? Who knows what they will do next!
Kind of hard to form any plan/idea of what will be out when it is time to by a car, when even the dealerships have little clue.
What are they up to? Anyone?
#2 of 22 Here's some info from AutoWeek
Apr 13, 2007 (8:08 pm)
This sort of answers my own question(s).
Truck is confirmed( for 08).
Swift around 2010.
Aerio wagon will be dropped( I kind of figured...probably got to get rid of current stock first).
And " 2 unconfirmed vehicles" by 2011(well,the article is vehicles for Suzuki by 2011, but sounds like all should be out before then, new stuff).
By 2009, the 5 year run will be up for Forenza and Reno.
The Verona is not selling at all( barely in the hundreds of units -per- month).
The Forenza/Reno are their Biggest selling line.
I don't know what they plan to do here, unless they are going to let the SX4 sedan take the place of the similarly sized Forenza,and maybe bump up(in size) the Forenza/Reno(and give them a new name?)... and make them large enough to say replace the Mid-Sized Verona, or what?
If they did this wisely, they could make the Forenza the size of the Kia Optima( about 186 inches in total length... on the short side of other cars in this class, but still roomy enough to be called a Mid-sized sedan), and make the Reno replacement say 180-182 inches long, and call it the "sporty hatch"version of the Forenza . Like now, the Forenza is slightly larger than the Reno hatch.
So, the Forenza replacement could fill in for the Verona, and the Reno maybe be the size of the Lancer, etc... and the SX4 be the new compact, the SX4 suv replaces the Aerio, and then bring in the truck, and the Swift...
and all they are missing is what? CUV? Minivan?
I'm tired of just thinking about it.
I like Suzuki for one main reason: More reliable than even my in-laws 1987 Toyota truck was!
He had a 90 tracker(Suzuki) for nearly 220K, NO Problems.
Tranny needed fixed in the Toyota at 179,000.
Their other tracker, 92K miles... 11 years old, minus some faded paint... that's it. No problems.
They NVH, etc, though, is early 20th century, like a tractor, until this SX4 SUV/CUV they got!
Now, they caught up... just deliver better MPG, 0-60 times, and Suzuki-Built cars( like the Reno, but better, 3 or 5 door),and I'm there!
Who knows though?
They need more advertisements,comparsions on tv vs other makers, or something.
Most people are unaware of Suzuki.
Most reliable maker I ever saw, in 30 years of driving!
That's a fact that I personally know of.
Our Nissan came a close second, but the past 10 years? Afraid not, to my knowledge, anyway.
I want a Reno, but built as solid as the New SX4 SUV.
Hope they deliver by 09-10!
Also, 32-34MPG would be nicer than their advertised 29-31MPG for a 126-127HP I-4!
It's a decent design( a 5 door that appears as a sedan or coupe-like, from a distance, vs box-like, or wagon-like)but needs better everything.
take care/not offense.
#4 of 22 More Confusion?
Apr 13, 2007 (11:00 pm)
http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070213/FREE/70212008&Profile=10- - 24
Now I know why Verona sales were so low... Suzuki quit selling them after 06 model.
They're getting rid of inventory.
Now, I am confused.
The 2nd thing I posted said "2 new vehicles" will be out for Suzuki by 2011... but "unknown/un-named", but this one link mentions the Verona replacement, maybe by 2009.
So... again... where does that leave the Forenza/Reno, Suzuki's best sellers of the past few years( Unless they are just going to rework a few GM-DAT's, but as this article states, Suzuki will be the bosses when it comes to reworking/building the engine(s),, and then bring out the "Forenza"...which, if you see their sales charts every month, they just lump together the Forenza/Reno as Forena).
Ah, who knows?
What do you guys think?
Should Suzuki be taking another path, or keep on going, with the SX4 sedan this Fall, the truck next year, and 2 other vehicles(cars?) and the Swift in 2010?
Should they try to speed things up?
Are they on the right track/pace?
Should they bring out a Mazda 5 /Kia Rondo fighter?
#5 of 22 Re: More Confusion? [harrychezt]
by steve_ HOST
Apr 13, 2007 (11:06 pm)
A mid-size (with a V-6?) looks like it would fit in the current line-up:
I see more excitement about the SUVs, but that's mostly because I read the SUVs boards and not the Sedans one.
#6 of 22 Re: More Confusion? [steve_]
Apr 14, 2007 (1:37 pm)
Yes, a V6/Midsized sedan makes sense. The Verona only had 155HP,and sold few units. It did not look bad, but seems, according to the article, customers complained about lack of power, so Suzuki will build the new V6/5 speed tranny(automatic, IIRC) and more HP, for the next version( most likely a newer Verona/GM-DAT).
Just hope the rumors I had read on intellichoice.com a few months ago, well, happen( a sporty Reno, updated, etc.. to come out, maybe later this year, or in 08, IIRC).
I enjoyed the Reno, once it hit 45 MPH(and upwards on MPH), but that slow take off,felt really bad, as if it were struggling to get up to 40.
All they need is an updated( Suzuki engineered) engine and tranny... tweak the NVH some( and 0-60 and MPG ).... and I would seriously consider buying one.
I told one guy, maybe they should buy the Corolla's engine/tranny, and drop it in the Reno?
At least, if ya gotta go slow, ya get 36-38 MPG vs 29-31MPG.
I have just been impressed with their products( well, as I said before, the Suzuki-Chevy-Trackers were like tractors, in miniature, for the roads, in NVH, handling, etc, IMHO, but, they last forever, and the in-laws SX4 with around 17K miles..., solid as day 1, just the interior is sort of decontented vs other makers).
Apr 19, 2007 (5:35 am)
I think if suzuki got Elpsilon2 (GM Midsize FWD Car: Malibu, 9-3, Aura, G6), They would be set especially simce the elpsilon2 platform can use AWD.
Apr 19, 2007 (6:40 am)
do you know what's dumb with all the big car companies now!?!?!?! It's that they are only going for gas mileage and convenience! And I just don't realy like it because can you see lamberghini making some van thing like porshe is now! it's dumb!