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Re: RE 9979 & 9980 [aviboy97] by akirby
Jun 30, 2008 (8:54 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jun 30, 2008 8:39 am)

It is already billed to the invoice, and is included (just like destination fee) on the price you see on the window sticker.
 
And that's the case for the other mfrs. The problem is the advertising fee and other fees (fuel, etc.) are not included in the online published dealer invoices. They can't be because they vary from vehicle to vehicle and by geographic location. So dealer invoice on a Ford Focus in Michigan might be slightly different than the same vehicle in Georgia.
 
The bottom line is the actual dealer invoice and MSRP includes the advertising fee - it's NOT a fee that is ADDED ON by anyone. The online published dealer invoice numbers are simply not accurate.
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Re: RE 9979 & 9980 [backy] by m6user
Jun 30, 2008 (9:21 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jun 30, 2008 8:36 am)

Now that you mention it I did see and sometimes look at those books(ditto on the grocery store) but I think the ones I remember were from Kelly Blue Books or something similar. I might have looked at an Edmunds...not sure.
 
Part of the reason is that the first brand new vehicle I bought was in 1987. I bought about 20 vehicles before then but they were all used cars/trucks/motorcycles for which knowing the invoice price wasn't really a player for me. I can't remember exactly when I started on the internet but I think it was around 1993 or 94.
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Re: RE 9979 & 9980 [m6user] by backy
Jun 30, 2008 (9:26 am)
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Replying to: m6user (Jun 30, 2008 9:21 am)

Ah, see what you missed out on--those books had used car/truck pricing also, similar to what Edmunds.com offers today. No motorcycles though, from what I recall.
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Re: RE 9979 & 9980 [backy] by 2002slt
Jun 30, 2008 (9:42 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jun 30, 2008 9:26 am)

I think I have one of those lying around from 1986 when I bought my first new car. I think I still paid just a little under sticker, though.
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Re: RE 9979 & 9980 [backy] by m6user
Jun 30, 2008 (10:06 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jun 30, 2008 9:26 am)

My dad had a good buddy that owned a used car lot and I got a lot of info from him via my dad. Got a few cars from the guy too and never got a lemon. One time I came home on leave from overseas for a month and my dad bought a car from him, let me drive it while I was home on leave and sold it after I left. 1966 Dodge Polara 2dr. with the pushbutton auto on the dash. Think he bought and sold it for $300....quite the deal.
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Re: RE 9979 & 9980 [m6user] by urnews
Jun 30, 2008 (10:58 am)
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Replying to: m6user (Jun 30, 2008 10:06 am)

1966 Dodge Polara 2dr. with the pushbutton auto on the dash.
 
Time may have diminished your memory of the Dodge. I owned a 1966 Dodge Monaco, a upscale Polara, and it had a conventional shift level on the column for the automatic transmission.
 
According to an entry about the TorqueFlite transmissions in Wikipedia: "The buttons were replaced by conventional steering column- or floor-mounted shift levers in all automatic Chrysler-built vehicles for the 1965 model year." Maybe the Dodge you drove for a month was a 1964.
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Re: RE 9979 & 9980 [bhmr59] by jd10013
Jun 30, 2008 (11:48 am)
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Replying to: bhmr59 (Jun 29, 2008 7:16 pm)

Volume alone cannot make up for $1500-$2000 below invoice (before rebates).
 
why do you think ford, GM, and Chrysler are literally hemorageing money, to the tune of 10's of billions a year? if a dealership is selling a car below the invoice price it's almost always because they're getting money from the manufacture. A rebate they arn't telling you about.
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Re: RE 9979 & 9980 [urnews] by m6user
Jun 30, 2008 (1:09 pm)
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Replying to: urnews (Jun 30, 2008 10:58 am)

You're most probably right and it would make sense since that took place in 1970. A 1966 model would have been at least a few hundred dollars more expensive. Since I only drove it a month, it's difficult to remember. Plus a GI home on leave had other things on his mind if you know what I mean.
 
Thanks for the research.
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Re: RE 9979 & 9980 [m6user] by bhmr59
Jun 30, 2008 (6:00 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (Jun 30, 2008 6:33 am)

We subscribed to Edmund's paper back books back in the early 1980's or late 70's.
 
The were two different editions: domestic cars, and "foreign cars."
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Re: RE 9979 & 9980 [aviboy97] by bhmr59
Jun 30, 2008 (6:30 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jun 30, 2008 6:30 am)

When I went to buy locally a little over 3 years ago, the dealer wanted way too much money. He offered to "split the difference between MSRP & invoice and couldn't wait to show me the invoice.
 
The markup from invoice to MSRP was $1100 or $1150 in April '05. He was willing to give me $500 off MSRP, but then "had to" add $500 adv fee. Yep, it showed on the invoice. Only thing is, he showed me a photo copy and everything was shown in standard type except the adv fee and obviously altered total invoice which was printed in bold face . So, the "invoice price", after the jerk offering splitting the difference between invoice & MSRP came out to MSRP! I was referred by a friend of mine who had recently leased a Mercury and had spoken with the salesman for about 7 weeks.
 
A week later I flew to Florida from CT, visited my parents for two days, and drove home in my new Sonata and saved $1500 after travel expenses. But this was before I knew about Towne Hyundai; and they don't show any adv BS on their invoice either.

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