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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
May 23, 2008 (1:38 pm)
I had the opportunity to spend an evening with an '08 Accord EX V6 this week. While its not a vehicle I would be in the market for, I do have a lot of appreciation for it.
The driving dynamics were pretty amazing for how big a car it really is. The V6 felt very powerful and gave me a lot of confidence (perhaps too much) when merging and passing. I found the "ECO" cylinder deactivation very similar in feeling to the lock-up torque converter feeling, it wasn't intrusive but I noticed it. It seemed odd that it didn't have the video game paddles or psuedo-stick thing for the transmission, but given the age of their market, and the fact that those are silly to begin with, I can understand why they don't have it. I thought the steering wheel felt very good in my hands (its relatively small diameter is what I think leads to its sporty feel), although I didn't care for the styling at all. I also found the steering to be well weighted with a good level of effort. I found the seats perfectly comfortable, but I am not a giant by any means.
The gagetry was a mixed bag. I had to call the 1-800 phone number to get my phone to work with bluetooth, and it said I still couldn't upload my phonebook because of some limitation on my phone (although it works fine with SYNC). There are 4 buttons to control voice activation. If its voice activated, why do I need 4 buttons? There is still no support for an iPod, and the control of MP3 CDs was cumbersome. The nav system let you manually control everything while you are driving, which is surprising given the rules/laws that went into effect for 2008.
I found the ride quality to be fine over all surfaces, and it felt less limp than my 2007 (as an aside, my 1993 was the last year in the run as was my 2007, and neither of them have been at the level of Honda's reputation, maybe there is a lesson there). A nice ride to be sure, but at 30k, there are a lot of nice rides. I am guessing transaction prices are closer to invoice, and at 27k the car has a much stronger value point. It did everything more than acceptably and was easy to drive.
#9735 of 20212 Re: Exterior Styling: Rank them Best to Worst [akirby]
May 23, 2008 (2:19 pm)
i have a fusion too. the thing that gave it away, after a long time thinking about it, was that the fusion doesn't have the separate side marker light in the rear fender.
#9736 of 20212 Re: Exterior Styling: Rank them Best to Worst [explorerx4]
May 23, 2008 (4:17 pm)
The nav system let you manually control everything while you are driving, which is surprising given the rules/laws that went into effect for 2008.
I was surprised, too. My GM units always shut down command at about 5mph. All 3 I've recently test-driven (Camry, Accord and Sonata) all allow control. I wonder if some law changed.
#9737 of 20212 2009 Mazda6 First Drives
May 23, 2008 (5:13 pm)
Here are the 3 I've seen so far. 19/29 or 30 for the I4 and 17/25 for the V6.
#9738 of 20212 Re: Exterior Styling: Rank them Best to Worst [2002slt]
May 23, 2008 (6:57 pm)
I am surprised about the Camry. GM, Ford, and Toyota are part of AAM and there are rules about nav systems and their functionality in there. Part of it goes back to some work that SAE did around the turn of the century (lol that sounds funny to say) about in-vehicle tasks and driver distraction.
The new GM systems are a little bit more mellow, the '07 STS wouldn't let me scratch my butt while the car was above 5 mpg, but the new '08 CTS (a totally fantastic ride, IMO) let me pick what song I wanted off my iPod or USB stick, or select a POI while rollin' down the road.
#9739 of 20212 Due to Some complaints about the previous Midsize Sedan Poll...
May 24, 2008 (6:06 am)
I've updated the pics and added more vehicles to the list...here we go! Rate them based on Styling. I tried to find the top of the line, V6 version of every car. Hope this is more simple and more fair.
#9740 of 20212 more alike than different
May 24, 2008 (8:15 am)
From a distance they all look like children of the same parents with minor differences: more freckles, different hair line, taller, heavier, etc.
Given the demands of low coefficient of friction, interior space, fuel economy, safety features, etc. there aren't too many different engineering or design solutions. They are the generic current American sedan. This homogeneity is likely to continue as the price of fuel rises.
If cost is of minor significance, then you can be artistic and creative and different as many of the much higher priced vehicles can afford to be..
#9741 of 20212 Re: more alike than different [pod]
May 24, 2008 (9:34 am)
The cars with more downward slope in the roof line rear of the B pillar, have the more appealing profiles. This usually means rear headroom is compromised, or the rear seat is too low. What's more important? Rear passenger comfort, or a good looking profile? If you don't care about rear seat comfort, you may as well get a coupe, which will have a better look than the sedan.
#9742 of 20212 Re: Due to Some complaints about the previous Midsize Sedan Poll... [maxamillion1]
May 24, 2008 (2:22 pm)
As I noted ealier, I think all the mid-sized sedans are reasonably good looking on the outside with the exception of the Avenger and Sebring. Thus for me, I put a checkmark on "I can live with the styling" and move on to more important attributes, like how the car drives, safety, interior quality and comfort (since I am looking at the interior much more than I am the exterior), fuel economy, NVH, etc.
#9743 of 20212 Re: more alike than different [elroy5]
May 24, 2008 (2:27 pm)
If you don't care about rear seat comfort, you may as well get a coupe, which will have a better look than the sedan.
It does not have to be all or nothing. My back seat is only used occassionally, on those occassions all I want is for it to be adequate. I don't need it to be a limosinesque experience for those in the back seat, but I also don't want it to be a torture chamber and I certainly do not want the inconvenience of a coupe.
The supposed "tight" back seat of this:
is adequate for my needs/wants.