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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#9631 of 20244 Re: Mazda6 v Honda Accord [m6user]
May 20, 2008 (10:11 am)
It's amazing to me that we're all talking about engines that are now pushing close to 4 Liters in size for "midsize" cars. I remember thinking the Accord was amazing for having crossed the 200hp barrier in the fall of 1997.
At least MPGs have gone up. I can't help but think if we couldn't have more efficient engines if we had a cap on horsepower, say 200. I don't think anyone would complain that the Passat is underpowered, with the 2.0t. If we could have sedans with most having 130-170hp engines making 30/40 numbers, it'd be great.
Oh wait, we have those - they're diesels!
#9632 of 20244 Re: Mazda6 v Honda Accord [thegraduate]
May 20, 2008 (10:18 am)
Diesels and Hybrids too! Can't wait for diesel to finally make it here. They're imho, the real savior for the next 10 years or so until we get better tech. I'd love to see most compact/midsize sedans with a clean diesel available. I figure we could finally live in the 30/40 era then.
#9633 of 20244 Re: Mazda6 v Honda Accord [thegraduate]
May 20, 2008 (11:02 am)
I think the increase in power has somewhat mirrored the increase in weight. All the safety equipment etc. If there wasn't a corresponding increase in hp I think we would be disappointed in performance. I'm talking 4 cyl here mostly.
However, that doesn't explain the 6cyl hp numbers. I totally agree that anything over 210-220 is way overkill. But when you can have a Sonata Limited with only a 1mpg hwy difference between the I4 and V6, I can see why the 6cyl is popular.
IMHO, the 09 Sonata Limited I4 is a great combo of decent power, luxury appointments, good MPG, good warranty, etc. It's on my list but I have to wait until I get more info on the new Mazda6 before I pull any triggers!
#9634 of 20244 Re: Mazda6 v Honda Accord [m6user]
May 20, 2008 (11:36 am)
It's actually a bigger difference between I4 and V6 now. 22/32 vs 19/29. That 3mpg can matter depending on your needs I found the 170ish hp from the I4 is plenty for my needs, especially since I was coming from a 135hp compact before.
The Mazda6 definitely looks interesting. Only minus is the gas mileage doesn't look very good. 17/25 V6 with ridiculous 272 hp and 21/29 I4 with 170hp. Not much better than the V6 Sonata. I figure it'll definitely have more torque with the bigger engines than most other midsize cars.
#9635 of 20244 Re: Mazda6 v Honda Accord [moocow1]
May 20, 2008 (11:39 am)
Its all relative, as you allude to. I have a 1996 Accord w/130 hp (old SAE net, under new procedures, it'd likely be 125 or so) at 2900lbs. In comparison with my 2006 Accord w/166hp and 3200 lbs, my newer Accord feels downright "fast", and not at all like the "slow version" of the Accord; something that I sure can't say about the 1996, which is adequate, if not quick.
#9636 of 20244 Re: Mazda6 v Honda Accord [moocow1]
May 20, 2008 (11:43 am)
I am not sure Diesel is the answer, especially us in the US. Diesel is almost a buck a gallon more these days, and I think if more americans chose to drive diesels, the demand would go way up and further increase the price.
My answer is smaller, more fuel efficient engines - with lighter cars. Today's midsizers as so heavy; we may soon have the compact class cars going to midsize.
If I had to buy today, I would look at a Civic or 3, though with the 3 you want to get the 2.3 and that hurts economy. But both would be on my shortlist.
Is the civic more spacious than the 3 (sedan) in practical terms, or are they similar?
#9637 of 20244 Re: Mazda6 v Honda Accord [03accordman]
May 20, 2008 (11:44 am)
I'd wager to say the Mazda 3 is the more spacious car. I'm 6'5" and have been in both. I'd rather be in the 3 when judging purely on space.
#9638 of 20244 Re: Mazda6 v Honda Accord [03accordman]
May 20, 2008 (11:49 am)
I've been in both cars as well. However I'm not sure I can make a full comparison as it's the 3 Sedan vs Civic Coupe. The 3 does seem a bit bigger from my experience though. And yes smaller efficient engines are good...but just imagine smaller, efficient diesels then We'd be looking at 35/45 or even better. And I think the reason diesel prices are so ridiculous is just because of price gouging. It's not popular enough to be on par with standard gas.
#9639 of 20244 Re: Mazda6 v Honda Accord [moocow1]
May 20, 2008 (11:52 am)
It's actually a bigger difference between I4 and V6 now. 22/32 vs 19/29. That 3mpg can matter depending on your needs
You're comparing the manual I4 mpg to the auto 6cyl mpg. I was apples to apples with the auto comparison. Used Edmunds comparsion tool so it's their numbers. I assume they are accurate.
#9640 of 20244 2009 Sonata EPA[m6user]
May 20, 2008 (11:57 am)
2.4L Automatic - 22/32
2.4L Manual - 21/32
3.3L Automatic - 19/29
* From www.fueleconomy.gov