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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: 2008 Accord is selling... [jd10013] by bhmr59
May 03, 2008 (2:57 pm)
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Replying to: jd10013 (May 02, 2008 2:32 pm)

Just like Edmund's TCO figures are wrong. If you look at the Sonata, the TCO estimates are based on a purchase price well in excess of real street prices for someone getting a "fair" deal compared to a "real good" deal.
 
Even Edmund's TMV uses a different purchase price than the TOC price. Quite puzzling.
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Re: 2009 Mazda6 pics [aviboy97] by maxamillion1
May 03, 2008 (6:46 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (May 03, 2008 7:09 am)

 
Here is something I noticed....It seems Push button start is going to be apart of a "Technology Pkg" of some sort because Push button isn't standard...
 
Have a look for yourselves. The lower center console is different on Nav and Non-Nav model. Push button is on the center console of the Navigation model, traditional key is found on the lower side of the steering column.
 
Not crazy about the "blonde" wood trim.
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Suzuki Kizashi 3 to shake-up mid-size sedans by bwia
May 04, 2008 (4:55 am)
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According to the June issue of Car & Driver, page 31, the 2010 Suzuki Kizashi 3 will go on sale in Japan in late 2009 and reach U.S. dealerships in early 2010. Arguable the Kizashi 3 will be the sexiest sport sedan on the road in 2010.
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/20/new-york-2008-suzuki-unveils-kizashi-3-concep- - t-coming-in-2010/
 
The Kizashi 3 is a tad smaller than a Mazda6 but slightly larger than a BMW 3 Series sedan and will be powered by a (front or all-wheel drive) 2.5 inline-four or a 260 hp 3.6-liter DOHC V6 engine derived from GM’s high-feature V-6, the same engine found in the Cadillac CTS and Malibu. Base prices will start in the $21,000-to-$28,000 price range.
 
The Kizashi 3 will sit on 110.2-inch wheelbase identical to the Honda Accord. The new sedan will spawn a wagon version and a crossover to replace the current XL7.
 
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi 3 to shake-up mid-size sedans [bwia] by kdshapiro
May 04, 2008 (5:35 am)
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Replying to: bwia (May 04, 2008 4:55 am)

What is so special about this? Visually it's ugly. 21 inch wheels are outrageously bad, in the real world smaller is better. The 3.6 liter engine? So what? Is Suzuki trying the Hyundai Genesis approach. Load 'er up with a lot of gadgets and doo-dads and hope it sells?
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi 3 to shake-up mid-size sedans [kdshapiro] by bwia
May 04, 2008 (7:29 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (May 04, 2008 5:35 am)

kdshapiro, I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder but perhaps you missed this video.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/New-York-2008-Suzuki-Kizashi-3-concept-reveal- ed_154702.htm
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi 3 to shake-up mid-size sedans [kdshapiro] by backy
May 04, 2008 (8:56 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (May 04, 2008 5:35 am)

The show car had 21" wheels. I think the odds of those making production, except maybe as an option, are close to nil. The 3.6L V6 is supposed to be the same as the one in the Aurabu, and in that application it's no slouch.
 
The previous Suzuki mid-sizer, the Verona, wasn't competitive. This new design looks on paper to be fully competitive. So I think that is a good thing--yet another option for mid-sized sedan buyers, and a Japanese-made car at that. In fact, when it arrives it could be the only mid-sized family sedan sold in the U.S. sourced entirely from Japan.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi 3 to shake-up mid-size sedans [bwia] by m6user
May 04, 2008 (11:48 am)
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Replying to: bwia (May 04, 2008 7:29 am)

The front looks like a Buddha having a big laugh.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi 3 to shake-up mid-size sedans [m6user] by lilengineerboy
May 04, 2008 (1:41 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (May 04, 2008 11:48 am)

I think there is a trend towards facial expressions on Japanese vehicles. That Toyota iCar thing I think started it, but like even the new Mazda6 looks like its smiling. I always thought the E36 front looked menacing.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi 3 to shake-up mid-size sedans [lilengineerboy] by aviboy97
May 05, 2008 (8:34 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (May 04, 2008 1:41 pm)

I have been poking around in a few non-Mazda forums gathering non-Mazda owners opinions on the new Mazda6, and there seems to be a consensus among them that the car is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That is something that Mazda is looking for. However, the current Mazda owners seems to think the complete opposite, and are bashing the car. That, Mazda was definitely not expecting.
 
I'm still reserving my final judgment until I drive it. I do like what I see so far. If I had never seen the JDM Mazda6, I would like this one even better.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi 3 to shake-up mid-size sedans [aviboy97] by brucelinc
May 05, 2008 (8:53 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (May 05, 2008 8:34 am)

Aviboy, I noticed the same thing! It appears that the new Mazda 6 might bring a lot more buyers to the brand even if it turns off a few Mazda loyalists.
 
From what I have seen so far, the 2009 Mazda 6 would absolutely be at the top of my list among mid-size sedans. I have had several of the current generation Mazda 6s as rentals and like them OK - except for the noisy 4 cyl engine - but I would never have considering buying one. The 2009 with the 3.7 engine will be a definite possibility, though.

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