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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Malibu Vs Accord Vs Camry vs Sonata [elroy5] by aviboy97
Apr 30, 2008 (2:20 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Apr 30, 2008 2:10 pm)

Isn't a 3.7 L engine overkill for a car the size of the Mazda6? It's the smallest car in this segment
 
Not anymore. The North American Mazda6 grew a bit. It's not as big as the Accord or Camry, I really think it will be a shade smaller then the Altima.
 
Can't they get enough power for that car out of a smaller engine?
 
3.7 v 3.5. Really, what's the difference?
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Re: Malibu Vs Accord Vs Camry vs Sonata [elroy5] by backy
Apr 30, 2008 (4:10 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Apr 30, 2008 2:10 pm)

Just yesterday, weren't you saying something like bigger is good?
 
The Malibu and Aura have 3.6L V6s. As was noted, some other mid-sizers have 3.5s. So 3.7L, not really a big deal, is it?
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Re: Malibu Vs Accord Vs Camry vs Sonata [backy] by elroy5
Apr 30, 2008 (5:03 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Apr 30, 2008 4:10 pm)

Just yesterday, weren't you saying something like bigger is good?
 
Isn't the 3.7 heavier than the 3.0? And less fuel efficient? Of course the 3.0 is no fuel miser either.
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Re: Malibu Vs Accord Vs Camry vs Sonata [elroy5] by aviboy97
Apr 30, 2008 (5:39 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Apr 30, 2008 5:03 pm)

Isn't the 3.7 heavier than the 3.0? And less fuel efficient? Of course the 3.0 is no fuel miser either
 
Not really. Remember, the 3.7 and 3.0 use a smilar block, if not the same block. Also, preliminary EPA estimates have the 3.7 with 27mpg highway and the 3.0 is rated at 25 mpg highway. The 3.7 will also boast a 55hp advantage.
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Re: Malibu Vs Accord Vs Camry vs Sonata [aviboy97] by baggs32
Apr 30, 2008 (5:49 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Apr 30, 2008 2:20 pm)

3.7 v 3.5. Really, what's the difference?
 
Also, the largest power difference between the D35 and D37 is not the HP but rather the torque. The D35 in the Edge and in the first year of the CX-9 makes 263 horses and something like 246 ft-lbs of torque. The D37 only increases the HP by 7 but the torque increase is roughly double that. I don't think the gas mileage decreased much if any when the CX-9 switched from the D35 to the D37 either. Both, like avi said, are more fuel efficient than the D30.
 
Now the PIP D30 in the '09 Escape (and possibly the '10 Fusion) is supposed to be right up ther with them in fuel efficiency among other improvments. Those specs aren't official yet so we'll have to wait and see. The Escape gets the new D30 because the D35 doesn't fit. I understand that the D35 does fit in the Fusion but Ford has been unusually quiet about the '10 Fusion which we're supposed to see this fall in L.A.
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Re: Malibu Vs Accord Vs Camry vs Sonata [baggs32] by oldcem
Apr 30, 2008 (7:08 pm)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Apr 30, 2008 1:31 pm)

I agree with you. Having owned both a 2.5 and a 3.0 AJ series Duratec, I've found them to be very competitive with the same displacement N/A engines in BMWs. The 3.0 AJ series makes the same HP and torque as the BMW N/A 3.0 and pulls strongly to redline without distress. Seems refined enough for me.
 
Regards:
OldCEM
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Re: 2008 Accord is selling... [jeffyscott] by elroy5
Apr 30, 2008 (8:36 pm)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Apr 30, 2008 5:05 am)

Edmunds needs better editors, though. The article says: Honda was the only brand with three vehicles on the Top 10 Best-Selling Vehicle list. but there are three Toyotas in the top 10, as well (Camry, Corolla, Prius).
 
Honda had three cars in the Top Ten for the first quarter, which was shown in the chart below the March numbers. Toyota did not. Read again.
 
http://www.autoobserver.com/2008/04/honda-accord-be.html#more
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09 Sonata on Hyundaiusa.com by maxamillion1
Apr 30, 2008 (11:05 pm)
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I noticed the SEI4 model has been dropped....only way to get a manual now is in the lower level GLS.
 
Also, Rumors are going around that NIssan will be dropping the 6spd manual from the Altima lineup in 09...wonder how true that is...
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Re: Malibu Vs Accord Vs Camry vs Sonata [baggs32] by captain2
May 01, 2008 (5:42 am)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Apr 30, 2008 1:31 pm)

believe that the DT was acquired by Ford from Porsche but PLEASE PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong. It is not just me that has seemingly written the 'new' DT off, reference that Taurus test in the February CR I referenced. I have owned several Mazdas - 2 RXs,a 808, a GLC and (indirectly) a Probe - actually think that MAZDA makes a good car - just don't like the engines that they put in them. Since I prefer the power of the V6s I hold Ford responsible for that. This thread was seemingly started by conversations about this 'great new Mazda' 3.7, which I regard as still a DT and still a Ford engine. I only wish that the Speed6 hadn't been so short lived.
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Re: 2008 Accord is selling... [elroy5] by jeffyscott
May 01, 2008 (5:46 am)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Apr 30, 2008 8:36 pm)

No, you should read again they are talking about March sales there. Here is the full paragraph:
 
To that end, Honda’s success in March wasn’t limited to the Accord. Honda was the only brand with three vehicles on the Top 10 Best-Selling Vehicle list.

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