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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#9477 of 20238 Re: Accord? [kdshapiro]
Apr 29, 2008 (4:48 pm)
Uhm... that would have been very hard to do since the current Sonata rear-end design debuted in 2004. So I'm not sure where the "copying" remark came from (hard to copy something if the copy doesn't look anything like the original), but since you see evidence of copying, there's only one direction that could have taken...
One thing about the new Mazda6--it's really hard to pen a fresh design in the mid-sized sedan world, but I think Mazda did as good a job as any recent re-design on that score.
#9478 of 20238 Re: Accord? [backy]
Apr 29, 2008 (5:36 pm)
Uhm... that would have been very hard to do since the current Sonata rear-end design debuted in 2004
Oh I thought it debuted in 2006. The Lexus IS debuted in 2005. I doubt they copied the sheetmetal too close to change the styling of the car.
#9479 of 20238 Re: Accord? [kdshapiro]
Apr 29, 2008 (6:11 pm)
Since the 2006 Sonata tail lights were an obvious copy of the 2003 Accord's tail lights, I don't see how anyone can claim someone else copied the 06 Sonata's tail lights.
As far as the pictures of the Lexus and the Sonata, the lights are (mostly) red, and are both on the rear corners of the car. I don't see any other similarities.
#9481 of 20238 Re: Accord? [kdshapiro]
Apr 29, 2008 (6:32 pm)
No, the current-gen Sonata was first available in the ROK in the fall of 2004 and in the U.S. in early 2005, as a 2006 MY car.
#9482 of 20238 Re: 2008 Accord is selling... [kdshapiro]
Apr 29, 2008 (7:09 pm)
I'm glad to see more people are waking up to the fact that the Accord is a superior car to the Camry.
I heard a report on the radio today that said GM is planning to build about 90,000 fewer large trucks and SUVs this year than last year--a move that is related to the numbers in the article.
#9483 of 20238 Re: 2008 Accord is selling... [kdshapiro]
Apr 29, 2008 (7:13 pm)
Good article kd
And they said the 08 Accord was too big. Not for those people down-sizing from SUVs and trucks. Seems a lot of these consumers are buying the V6 model, and VCM is part of the attraction. It even outsold the F150!
#9484 of 20238 Re: 2008 Accord is selling... [kdshapiro]
Apr 30, 2008 (5:05 am)
Great to see any car in the top sales spot. Given a choice between Accord and Camry, I'd rather see the Accord up there as I'd rather they be the model that other manufacturers look to emulate, rather than the Camry.
Edmunds needs better editors, though. The article says: Honda was the only brand with three vehicles on the Top 10 Best-Selling Vehicle list. but there are three Toyotas in the top 10, as well (Camry, Corolla, Prius).
#9485 of 20238 Re: Malibu Vs Accord Vs Camry vs Sonata [aviboy97]
Apr 30, 2008 (5:45 am)
The new Duratec35 and 37 are not just bored/stroked versions of the Duratec30. The 35 and 37 are adaptable to direct injection and are equipped with VV-T. Also, fuel economy has been drastically improved
Point to whatever you would like but the result is still the same - a substandard engine (relative to things like the Toyota/Nissan/Hyundai engines). The 'old' DT while it might have had the right number of camshafts and even the 'right' architecture was and is a poor excuse for an engine these days, besides being seriously short in the HP dept. it is noted for primarily its lack of refinement. Fast forward to the too late 3.5/3.7 and yes with a 30% displacement increase we do see some reasonable (and competitive) HP but the same lack of refinement and ALSO an apparent increase in appetite. You'll see these kind of comments pretty regularly in expert reviews and not just based on my own experience 500-/Fusion for the 3.0 or the 3.5 with a Edge. Specifically look over the February issue of CR and its test of the Taurus - the second rate nature of the 3.5 and the fact that FE is DOWN with the new engine are both discussed at some length. So which to believe, the spec sheets or actual tests and experiences - I know I know publications like CR all have it in for poor old Ford, despite ranking the Fusion near the top in this category despite the engine 'insufficiences'. And yes, I'll freely admit to a anti- Ford bias when it comes to what they did to Mazda and I do feel sorry for those folks that might be stuck with a 'new and improved' DT3.0 in the next Fusion, the more things change the more they stay the same
#9486 of 20238 Re: Malibu Vs Accord Vs Camry vs Sonata [captain2]
Apr 30, 2008 (7:38 am)
Reviews for the Mazda CX-9, which utilizes the Mazda built 3.7L has nothing but wonderful reviews, including praise for refinement under the hood, fuel economy expected for the amount of power it has and the weight of the vehicle it pulls. There is no negative remarks involved with the power train what so ever. First indications are that this is the engine that Mazda will use in the 6.