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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: tough decision/dilema [bwia] by kdshapiro
Mar 21, 2008 (7:05 am)
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Replying to: bwia (Mar 21, 2008 5:29 am)

In terms of quality, the Chevy Malibu has leaped-frogged the competition. The fit and finish, quality of materials, ergonomics, NHV, and handling is best in class.
 
I don't agree with that. The car is just ok. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
 
As one poster wrote you are already committed to the Camry anyway and you are merely going through a perfunctory exercise by pretending to consider other name plates.
 
This is real world shopping. Not everybody shops a car same as you and since it's his money he is certainly entitled to shop the way he pleases.
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Re: tough decision/dilema [hackd] by targettuning
Mar 21, 2008 (7:21 am)
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Replying to: hackd (Mar 21, 2008 6:49 am)

Nope it is your (and their) money and the fact that I have owned two Hyundai products (although none at the moment) and our son and daughter both own them has shown me that they are cars to be seriously considered. I like them very much and I guess it is human nature to suggest (strongly) a product that has been very reliable (and all the rest) to anyone who is in the market especially if that person is buying a nameplate or emblem on the front as opposed to really considering the competition. Conversely, I bought a Honda (a highly regarded "nameplate") in 2006 that didn't meet my expectations and now I will "tell it like it is" much to the dismay of Honda lovers who frequent this site. Condesending or just enthuiastic, who knows? And since I am nearing retirement age maybe that Hyundai salesman suggestion isn't such a bad idea!!! Thanks!!!
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Re: tough decision/dilema [targettuning] by kdshapiro
Mar 21, 2008 (7:53 am)
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Replying to: targettuning (Mar 21, 2008 7:21 am)

Conversely, I bought a Honda in 2006 that didn't meet my expectations and now I will "tell it like it is" much to the dismay of Honda lovers who frequent this site.
 
Righto, and when Hyundai products don't meet expectations and people "tell it like it is'" they are being closeminded. :surprise
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Re: tough decision/dilema [kdshapiro] by targettuning
Mar 21, 2008 (8:01 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Mar 21, 2008 7:53 am)

The never ending game of one-up-man-ship continues and the ball is in your court...no surprise there.
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Re: tough decision/dilema [targettuning] by kdshapiro
Mar 21, 2008 (8:05 am)
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Replying to: targettuning (Mar 21, 2008 8:01 am)

Pong. Ball is in your court. Just pointing out the truth as you are.
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Re: tough decision/dilema [bwia] by backy
Mar 21, 2008 (8:07 am)
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Replying to: bwia (Mar 21, 2008 5:29 am)

In terms of quality, the Chevy Malibu has leaped-frogged the competition. The fit and finish, quality of materials, ergonomics, NHV, and handling is best in class.
 
Leapfrogged? More like "caught up." For example, in the recent comparo by C/D, here's how the Malibu LT fared:
 
* Fit and finish: Behind Accord, tied with Altima, Sonata, Camry, and Fusion.
* Quality of materials: There was no category for this, as it is typically considered part of "fit and finish." See above. But C/D's comments were mixed in the review, praising the quality of the aluminum trim on the dash and the headliner, but criticizing the "clammy plastic steering wheel" and the "alloy" wheels that were actually plastic-covered steel.
* Ergonomics: Tied with Accord, Altima, Sonata, Camry; ahead of Fusion and Avenger.
* NHV (aka NVH): Behind Accord and Camry. Tied with Altima, Sonata; ahead of Fusion and Avenger.
* Handling: Behind Accord and Altima. Tied with Fusion. Ahead of Sonata, Camry, and Avenger.
 
So Malibu is not "best in class" in any of these areas, according to C/D at least, except tied with several others on ergonomics. But based on C/D's review, I think it can be said that the Malibu has leapfrogged its U.S. competition, e.g. Fusion and Avenger.
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Re: tough decision/dilema [targettuning] by autokritiker
Mar 21, 2008 (8:30 am)
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Replying to: targettuning (Mar 21, 2008 8:01 am)

Just my 2 cents, I think you've been very helpful in here. You noticed that a car shopper had dismissed a make/model, without giving any details as to why. You asked some valid questions, and got that poster to reveal the fact that he had looked at a base version of the "dismissed model" while looking at mid- and upper-level versions of the other makes/models. The exchange between you and that poster was 100% civilized and respectful. There was absolutely no need for any finger-pointing by anybody. All it has done is add negativity and hostility to the atmosphere.
 
I think most of the cars in this discussion are very close in terms of overall quality, performance, and reliability. It mostly comes down to styling, and whether one prefers a firmer/sportier ride versus a soft/cushiony ride. Examples: many people like the Camry for it's soft ride and user-friendly interior, many people like the styling of the Altima, Fusion, Sonata, etc, many people prefer the handling of the 6, Altima, Accord...
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Re: tough decision/dilema [bwia] by raduilie
Mar 21, 2008 (10:29 am)
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Replying to: bwia (Mar 21, 2008 5:29 am)

In terms of quality, the Chevy Malibu has leaped-frogged the competition
 
You mean it leap-frogged the previous generation of Malibu, right?
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Re: tough decision/dilema [autokritiker] by pat HOST
Mar 21, 2008 (10:31 am)
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Replying to: autokritiker (Mar 21, 2008 8:30 am)

Actually, I think the first time poster was specifically considering two vehicles and found a discussion that featured both in which he could request feedback on each. I really don't think it's necessary to jump on him for not considering every other car in this class.
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Re: tough decision/dilema [autokritiker] by targettuning
Mar 21, 2008 (10:33 am)
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Replying to: autokritiker (Mar 21, 2008 8:30 am)

Thank You...

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