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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: tough decision/dilema [hp6130] by pat HOST
Mar 20, 2008 (11:43 am)
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Replying to: hp6130 (Mar 20, 2008 10:32 am)

Hi, welcome to CarSpace! You've obviously done some reading around here which is great. However, I don't think either mackabee or isellhondas participate in this discussion.
 
Here you will find owners of several of the cars in this class who can give you their feedback. Hope you will continue to participate and take advantage of that. We have some very helpful members.
 
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Re: V6 vs I4 maintenance [targettuning] by elroy5
Mar 20, 2008 (1:49 pm)
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Replying to: targettuning (Mar 20, 2008 11:05 am)

I'm sure that there is a "world of difference" but doesn't the Honda have its plugs on the rear bank covered or impeded by the intake manifold? If not it will be the first transverse V-6 I am aware of that doesn't.....OK I forgot the Vulcan 3.0 liter Ford V-6 had the plugs in the relative open.
 
The spark plug tubes go down through the the valve covers (typical for Honda engines, 4 and 6 cylinder). I could probably do it in half an hour if the gaps are already set. I always buy a service manual for each vehicle I own. You can learn a lot about the workings of your car by doing your own maintenance. Not to mention the loads of cash saved in the process. The money I save on maintenance alone, will easily pay the extra cost of the V6 over the I4. My father taught me not to pay someone else to do what I can do myself. Thanks Dad!
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dilema by hp6130
Mar 20, 2008 (2:10 pm)
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I wanted to look at a GLS Limited, but could not find one after checking several dealerships. My sister , brother and niece all drive Sonata's, 2 07's and one 08. I was the one who insisted my wife look at a Sonata and we were lucky to find a Toyota\Hyundai dealership together and get a good comparison. She just did not like the car.I know Hyundai is a great value and they are coming on strong. I feel they are the Toyota and Honda of 25 yrs. ago. I know their resale value sucks, but that did not concern me because I'll drive this car after she is done w/ it in 4 or 5 yrs. When we looked at the Altima, we only looked at the ones with sunroof, leather etc. I wanted them to be as similar as possible. I just returned from the Toyota dealership w/ a price on a XLE but I guess that should get posted under prices paid. Thank-you
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Re: dilema [hp6130] by backy
Mar 20, 2008 (2:31 pm)
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Replying to: hp6130 (Mar 20, 2008 2:10 pm)

The 2009 Sonatas are just now getting to dealers in volume. If it's been a little while since you last checked on a Limited, perhaps a local dealer has one now. Depends on how quickly you need a car. The GLS looks a lot more "plain" than the Limited, or the other cars you looked at such as Accord and Altima decked out in leather.
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Re: dilema [hp6130] by busiris
Mar 20, 2008 (2:48 pm)
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Replying to: hp6130 (Mar 20, 2008 2:10 pm)

Thought I would add my observations...
 
I purchased an 08 Atlima 2.5SL loaded in January after doing some of the same searching that you are in the process of doing.
 
I drove a Honda Accord and I felt that the ride was a little bit harsh, but that's just my take on it. No question about it, Honda has an excellent reputation and makes great cars.
 
I drove a Toyota Camry and felt the ride was a bit "mushy", I also did quite a bit of reading on the Internet about transmission issues that Toyota has been having in the late model Camry and engine oil "sludge" issues in other recent models. While I feel that these issues probably relate to a small number of owners, I just didn't feel comfortable with them. By the way, my daughter has an 04 Corolla and has had a great experience with it, with no problems, which also weighed in on my decision.
 
I test drove the Altima, and I thought it was the right car for me. I really like the CVT transmission, but a lot of people don't, so I guess it all comes down to the "touchy-feely" thing.
 
So far, I have been pleased with the Altima. I get better than 25 MPG in town, which is slightly better than the 05 Chevy Aveo it replaced. Not enought highway miles to get an accurate reading on highway MPG yet.
 
Good luck in your selection!
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Re: V6 vs I4 maintenance [elroy5] by targettuning
Mar 21, 2008 (4:05 am)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Mar 20, 2008 1:49 pm)

Oh, I used to do all the maintainence years ago, back when the world AND cars were simpler. That plus I am older now and much busier so rather than get into something that would put my car out of service for X number of days because I didn't have the time to finish what I had started or more likely, because I broke some bolt or stripped its threads and in the interest of lower blood pressure (I tend to frustrate easily and throw tools around) I now pay for repairs including oil changes. The Stratus is a 24 valve V-6 also and has its plugs in deepwell tubes in the center of the valve covers as well but the trouble is I cannot even see the rear bank due to the intake manifold being "folded" over to the rear probably because of the low hood line.
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CVT transmissions by targettuning
Mar 21, 2008 (4:12 am)
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It seems that Nissan is the carrier of the CVT banner, much like Subaru is the auto industry AWD leader (across the line). So, I have been following this type transmission with interest and have even rented a Dodge Caliber with one. My experience with it is probably much like everyone elses who drives one for the first time.....strange!! It took a while but I sorta got used to the way it operates. I also note that according to professional automobile tests the Nissan Altima (in the recent CD mainstream family sedan with I-4) got the best fuel economy AND had the best measured performance. My question to those who have one of these is: do you feel the CVT improves both fuel economy and performance? In my experience with the Caliber it seemed the engine "hung" at high RPM for an unusually long time during acceleration and during "downshifts" (even though there was no traditional downshift) such as hill climbing. I know this is normal operation for these but in my old school mind the longer an engine remains at higher than necessary RPM's the more gas it uses but apparently this isn't true. Comments?
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Re: tough decision/dilema [hp6130] by bwia
Mar 21, 2008 (5:29 am)
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Replying to: hp6130 (Mar 20, 2008 10:32 am)

As one poster wrote you are already committed to the Camry anyway and you are merely going through a perfunctory exercise by pretending to consider other name plates.
 
Curiously you omitted the domestics: the Fusion and the new 2008 Malibu from consideration. The Malibu 2LT or LTZ are the comparable trim levels to the XLE. I have not had any experience with the Fusion but I can tell you that the Malibu is an exceptional automobile for the price. My wife shopped the Volvo S60, SAAB and the Acura TSX along with the Camry and Honda. As soon as she saw and test drove all versions of the Malibu she was hooked….and I am sure you wife will too.
 
In terms of quality, the Chevy Malibu has leaped-frogged the competition. The fit and finish, quality of materials, ergonomics, NHV, and handling is best in class. The problem Chevy has is to change the perception of consumers. Many people associate Chevy and other GM products with staid styling and poor quality. But that is no longer true, the challenge is to convince them and GM has done it with the Malibu.
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Re: tough decision/dilema [bwia] by raduilie
Mar 21, 2008 (6:02 am)
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Replying to: bwia (Mar 21, 2008 5:29 am)

About Malibu: The problem actually is finding one right now, if you want to buy in the near future. I bought an Accord this week and I DID want to look at the Malibu. But after checking the online inventories I noticed that the dealers had between 3 and 7 of them on the lot. While the Honda and Toyota dealers had in excess of 200 Accords or Camrys. Which means that 1) very small chance of finding the exact color/features I want and 2) no reason for dealer to offer discounts.
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Re: tough decision/dilema [targettuning] by hackd
Mar 21, 2008 (6:49 am)
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Replying to: targettuning (Mar 20, 2008 11:28 am)

You seriously should become a Hyundai salesperson. I guess anybody who purchases a non-Hyundai car is not open minded and is making a bad decision. I drove the Sonata and thought it was a decent car but liked the interior and ride of other cars much more. I have owned Fords all of my life and went with a Subaru which I never owned so I guess your theory is not valid. It is one thing to push people to try the car you drive because you enjoy it and it is another thing to be condesending to people who did nothing to justify that kind of reaction.

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