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Re: rented a Mercury Milan [elroy5]
by jeffyscott
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Mar 19, 2008 (1:48 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Mar 19, 2008 1:44 pm)
I don't think the suggestion was that an in-line 6 should be used instead of a V6, it was that the 4 cylinder is less crammed in than the V6. Like the other poster, I also prefer a 4 cyl in part because it is not so jammed in.
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- #9165 of 13244
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Re: 09 Mazda6 [maxamillion1]
by aviboy97
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Mar 19, 2008 (2:11 pm)
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Replying to: maxamillion1 (Mar 19, 2008 11:52 am)
Nope. That's unfortunate, because I will be there on Friday. The first public view, meaning non-MNAO employees, will be April 25th at the dealer meetings in Denver, CO.
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V6 vs I4 maintenance
by elroy5
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Mar 19, 2008 (3:04 pm)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Mar 19, 2008 1:48 pm)
I don't think the suggestion was that an in-line 6 should be used instead of a V6, it was that the 4 cylinder is less crammed in than the V6. Like the other poster, I also prefer a 4 cyl in part because it is not so jammed in.
It hasn't been a problem at this point, and I do my own maintenance. I don't think changing the oil, or air filter are any easier on the 4cylinder. I don't know where the oil filter is on the new 4cylinder, but on my V6 I can get to it without getting under the car. Changing the oil filter on my old 4cylinder Accord used to be a lot more difficult. I think the V6 is well worth any extra effort needed to perform the maintenance.
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Re: V6 vs I4 maintenance [elroy5]
by karsick
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Mar 19, 2008 (3:55 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Mar 19, 2008 3:04 pm)
I'm the one who bought up the 6cyl argument, but a careful reader would have seen I was suggesting a VR6 (for lack of a better term).
Anyone unfamilar with this term needs to look up "VR6" to see how VW made a 6cyl as compact as many 4cyls.
Sorry for any confusion 
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Re: V6 vs I4 maintenance [karsick]
by busiris
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Mar 19, 2008 (5:20 pm)
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Replying to: karsick (Mar 19, 2008 3:55 pm)
I see where VW also uses an inline 5 cylinder in the Beetle and Jetta...How does that engine compare to the VR6?
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- #9169 of 13244
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Re: V6 vs I4 maintenance [busiris]
by karsick
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Mar 19, 2008 (5:46 pm)
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Replying to: busiris (Mar 19, 2008 5:20 pm)
It gets mighty confusing 
The US VW 5cyl is strictly an inline 5, like the 80's Audi 5000.
However, VW also sold a VR5 in europe in the late 90's, basically a VR6 minus one cylinder.
The VR5 sounds sweet, like a cross between a 350z and an Audi quattro rally car 
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Re: rented a Mercury Milan [busiris]
by akirby
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Mar 19, 2008 (7:38 pm)
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Replying to: busiris (Mar 19, 2008 1:39 pm)
Audi has been (and still is) using longitudinal engines with FWD.
In fact, someone claimed that Audis had to be RWD, and posted a picture of the engine compartment as proof. He was laughed off the forum.
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Re: Engine Refinement [karsick]
by waygrabow
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Mar 19, 2008 (8:32 pm)
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Replying to: karsick (Mar 19, 2008 12:55 pm)
I own an Explorer with the 4.0 SOHC V6 engine. Before I bought the Explorer, I read a magazine review which critcized the harsh noise of this engine under heavy acceleration; so I knew what I was getting. Today that Explorer has 105,000 miles and is running very well. The engine has been almost flawless. Gas mileage has been in the 17 to 19 mpg range (unless towing). If I had it to do all over again, I would make the same choice. So what if it makes noise when I floor the gas pedal; in every other aspect it has given great service. Besides, I view the Explorer as a truck, not some luxury sedan.
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Re: V6 vs I4 maintenance [elroy5]
by targettuning
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Mar 20, 2008 (3:01 am)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Mar 19, 2008 3:04 pm)
It isn't the oil filter or air filter that makes a transverse V-6 a maintainence problem. It is the need to remove the intake manifold to change the rear bank of plugs. My 95 V-6 Stratus is old enough to have a distributor and plug wires too and all these are only accessible with the intake removed. I would imagine newer V-6's have coil on plug type ignition systems but still, as infrequently as newer cars require plug changes someone, sometime is going to have to do it. Additionally, probably certain hoses, sensors, wires, and other things are hidden behind that rear bank of cylinders and present more potential maintainence headaches.
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Re: V6 vs I4 maintenance [targettuning]
by elroy5
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Mar 20, 2008 (3:35 am)
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Replying to: targettuning (Mar 20, 2008 3:01 am)
Changing the spark plugs in my 03 V6 Accord is described in the "owners manual", and is far from a major operation. There is a world of difference between a 95 Stratus and an 03 Accord's V6 engines. I don't anticipate a lot of problems with it. Even changing the timing belt (at 105k miles) doesn't look like a major problem, and I will be doing that myself also.
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