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#8820 of 10737 Re: 2006 Hyundai Sonata [andres3] by aviboy97 Feb 17, 2008 (10:49 am)
Replying to: andres3 (Feb 16, 2008 11:37 pm) So if you buy Toyota's and Honda's, I'd say they are NEVER worthless if kept in good shape. People know they are bulletproof to about 300K if maintained properly   Honda and Toyota are two of the best proven vehicles on the road, no question. Having owned both Honda and Toyota that have had numerous repairs, my 91 Honda Accord 2 starter coils fail and a part in the auto tranny that makes the tranny shift, I forgot what it was called, failed all before 100K. MY 1991 Toyota Celica started blowing blue smoke at 120K, and I replaced the drive axle at around 100K. The Accord was owned by my father new, and I got it with 60K and the Celica I bought when I sold the Accord, had 64K on it. All were maintained by the book.   My fathers 2004 Accord EX-L V6 has had a new tranny placed in it, and had "vapor lock" issues or something like that, a few months after he purchased it.   Are these two brands garenteed to make it to 300K with proper maintenance, No. No car is. The longest lasting vehicle in my family was my mothers 1992 Ford Taurus, with over 165K before problems started. Go figure.   The fact is, 90% of people never keep their cars to 150K, let alone 300K. Plus, unless you are in dire straights, who would buy a car with over 150K and assume you have another 150K in it, and be perfectly reliable. Lets be real here, please. Replies to this message: gooddeal2 (Feb 17, 2008 11:41 am)
#8821 of 10737 Cars by imidazol97 Feb 17, 2008 (10:58 am)
It's the maintenance on cars that gets them to the 200K mark. And some people who have had certain foreign brands have had religious, over-maintenance on them often mandated by their dealer. So when they make it to 200K it's not a surprise.   Maintain most other cars the same way, replace some things that break and call them maintenance instead of failure, and your other cars go the same distance with minor variations in performance in re longevity.   I can go to other discussions right here on Edmunds and list problems that are getting posted about these same wunderkars. They all have problems.   Can this discussion get past the idea that only a certain few cars have been blessed with longevity and discuss the cars, their features, their deficiencies, and so on? Replies to this message: mz6greyghost (Feb 17, 2008 11:20 am) backy (Feb 17, 2008 11:28 am)
#8822 of 10737 Re: Cars [imidazol97] by mz6greyghost Feb 17, 2008 (11:20 am)
Replying to: imidazol97 (Feb 17, 2008 10:58 am) Can this discussion get past the idea that only a certain few cars have been blessed with longevity and discuss the cars, their features, their deficiencies, and so on?   Just do what every other long-standing member has done and ignore the worthless, off-subject drivel and move on.   ON-TOPIC: A family friend just traded in his second Camry for, get this, a Chevy Malibu. You read it right, a Malibu! Why? He tried out the new Camry a few different times, by test-drives and a couple rentals, and couldn't get comfortable with the new style, and the "dashboard and controls that look like an afterthought". The handling wasn't as confidence-inspiring as his last-gen Camry, and maintenance and repairs weren't outrageous, but weren't very inexpensive either in his opinion.   On my suggestion, he tried out the Accord, but it was "too big" for him, and he didn't go for the "scattered dash controls" either. The Altima was nice, but he wasn't thrilled with the CVT, more of a personal preference than anything. Despite my best efforts, he didn't want to try the Fusion, since he didn't care for the styling. So I also threw out the Malibu as another choice. He replied that he hadn't had much luck with Olds when they were around, but he decided to try out GM again and get back to me.   He just left a message on my voicemail last night, saying that he bought the Malibu yesterday, the same day he first test-drove one! I plan on seeing him tomorrow, so I'll get more details them.   For the record, he uses his car on business (25-35K miles per year), so It'll be interesting to see 1) why he picked the Malibu, and 2) if it can hold up for the next 4-5 years... Replies to this message: backy (Feb 17, 2008 11:28 am)
#8823 of 10737 Re: Cars [mz6greyghost] by backy Feb 17, 2008 (11:28 am)
Replying to: mz6greyghost (Feb 17, 2008 11:20 am) It's really a great time to be shopping for a mid-sized sedan, isn't it? I don't know there was ever a time that there were so many good choices out there, from so many car companies. If you look at the list on the right, I don't see a single one that I would say "absolutely not" to (although the Camry would probably need to be an SE). Five years ago, whoda thunk that the likes of Kia and Hyundai, or even Ford, Chevy, and Saturn would have mid-sized offerings that are fully competitive in the class?   Plus there's lots of good discounts out there too!
#8824 of 10737 Re: 2006 Hyundai Sonata [aviboy97] by gooddeal2 Feb 17, 2008 (11:41 am)
Replying to: aviboy97 (Feb 17, 2008 10:49 am) Honda and Toyota are two of the best proven vehicles on the road, no question. Having owned both Honda and Toyota that have had numerous repairs, my 91 Honda Accord 2 starter coils fail and a part in the auto tranny that makes the tranny shift, I forgot what it was called, failed all before 100K. MY 1991 Toyota Celica started blowing blue smoke at 120K, and I replaced the drive axle at around 100K. The Accord was owned by my father new, and I got it with 60K and the Celica I bought when I sold the Accord, had 64K on it. All were maintained by the book.    My fathers 2004 Accord EX-L V6 has had a new tranny placed in it, and had "vapor lock" issues or something like that, a few months after he purchased it.    Are these two brands garenteed to make it to 300K with proper maintenance, No. No car is. The longest lasting vehicle in my family was my mothers 1992 Ford Taurus, with over 165K before problems started. Go figure.    The fact is, 90% of people never keep their cars to 150K, let alone 300K. Plus, unless you are in dire straights, who would buy a car with over 150K and assume you have another 150K in it, and be perfectly reliable. Lets be real here, please.   I'm 100% with you. I had/have Avalon 97, Corolla 99, Camry 2002, Altima 2003, 2005, and 2007, G35 coupe '05 and G35 sedan '08. Even though I owned those cars for about 4 years at most, I usually have some problems w/ all of those cars. All cars were bought brand new. I had most problems with Avalon, Camry, and Altima 2003.   I cannot comment on Honda because I've never owned one.
#8825 of 10737 Bulletproof? Nope.re andres3 by moparbad Feb 17, 2008 (12:59 pm)
Replying to: andres3 (Feb 16, 2008 11:37 pm) 1997 Camry four cylinder automatic Dealer maintained with transmission flushes at 50,000 and 100,000 miles and oil changes every 3,000 miles. New (rebuilt) transmission required at 122K miles. 123K miles there is a hole in block from a failed rod/bearing.   Bulletproof? The notion of infallible reliability of Toyota or Honda is quite an expensive myth. With just over $2K "invested" in the transmission the cost of a used or rebuilt engine was seriously considered, however wise or unwise the decision was made to dispose of the car.   I did not think they made cars like this anymore. The Camry can now be added to my short list of vehicles with catastrophic engine failure 1972 Dodge Pickup with 318, 1977 Ford Granada with 302, and 1982 Ford Escort EXP with 1.6L.   In 2008 there is not a midsize car I would be afraid to buy due to reliability concerns, including Toyota.
#8826 of 10737 Re: Chicago Auto Show-Military [m6user] by joe97 Feb 17, 2008 (3:32 pm)
Replying to: m6user (Feb 16, 2008 9:46 pm) Paste the link to the photo in the post window, highlight and press the image button below the post window Replies to this message: m6user (Feb 17, 2008 5:11 pm) imidazol97 (Feb 17, 2008 5:16 pm) m6user (Feb 17, 2008 5:35 pm) and 1 more...
#8827 of 10737 Re: 2006 Hyundai Sonata [andres3] by joe97 Feb 17, 2008 (3:49 pm)
Replying to: andres3 (Feb 16, 2008 11:37 pm) There are a lot of signs Hyundai vehicles are retaining the value of their cars better than before, and much much closer to the leaders.

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