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Re: An hour with a Camry LE-V6 [thegraduate] by captain2
Feb 14, 2008 (6:09 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Feb 13, 2008 4:13 pm)

Inclined to give a pass to the 3.6HF V6, although it is still unproven in terms of longevity - just like the 2GR. Efficiency if you look at both power per unit volume and FE lags just a bit. Thought we'd hear something about the Northstar which was certainly a good engine in its prime, but also lags by today's standards or any of the multitude of pushrod V6s which actually account for the bulk of GMs efforts and are anything but 'world class' just like the 4 banger 'Ecotecs'. As GM finally gets production of the 3.6 up enough to use it on pretty much their whole line (just like Toyota & Nissan do with their 3.5s), and finally puts things like the 3.5s, 3.8s and 3.9s out to pasture - that will be the point that GM can be claim to make some good engines. Getting 400hp out of 400 CI V8s doesn't really count IMO, not that it is a bad engine, it just is what it is.
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Re: An hour with a Camry LE-V6 [bhmr59] by colloquor
Feb 14, 2008 (6:24 am)
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Replying to: bhmr59 (Feb 13, 2008 7:01 pm)

It was a new 2008 GLS with the 2.4L I-4. I didn't have a complaint with the engine, and averaged a combined 25.5MPG during the rental which included about 50/50 city and highway mileage. Again, this car was brand new with only 6 miles on the odometer when I picked up the car from the Hertz agency in Orlando - I was the first person to rent the vehicle.
 
I've rented the current gen Sonatas on several other occasions over the past couple of years on business trips, all of which had more miles than this one of course. Most have been GLS trims with the I-4, but a few were GLS with the 3.3L V6.
 
If I drove the Sonata over a severely undulating surface, including freeways with either a poor surface or a lot of dips, the rear suspension would tend to bottom and you would get a wallowing "jounce (shock compression) and rebound" effect from the rear suspension. More importantly, the rear suspension simply appears to be under damped or dampened (insufficient shock control, especially on the rebound). In my previous Sonata rentals, I've attributed this to perhaps the "rental car syndrome," as those had over 15K on the clock, some with slightly over 20K. But this Sonata acted exactly the same, and it was brand new.
 
I also drive a 2006 Hyundai as one of my personal cars, so I try to be as objective as possible. On smooth or moderately smooth surfaces, the Sonata's suspension is fine, but on really rough surfaces, especially undulating surfaces such as asphalt which has seen a lot of semi truck traffic, the Sonata's rear suspension seems to have a control problem. BTW . . . in neither situation was the car overloaded with people or luggage - only the driver and one passenger.
 
Again, Hyundai is addressing this in the 2009.
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Re: An hour with a Camry LE-V6 [karsick] by jeffyscott
Feb 14, 2008 (6:48 am)
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Replying to: karsick (Feb 13, 2008 12:47 pm)

I'm happy that in the past 15yrs or so, the Asians have seen fit to offer models that appeal to people trading out of Euro-cars...Now we can have a mix of Euro-flavor without the headaches of poor reliability expensive "Jag-You-Arrhhh" or "Bring My Wallet" servicing
 
Another option for a little euro-flavor in handling and ride, without the high purchase and service prices, has been Ford with the Contour and now the Fusion. With the Fusion they may have also attained good reliability.
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Re: An hour with a Camry LE-V6 [colloquor] by 94hawkskin
Feb 14, 2008 (9:31 am)
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Replying to: colloquor (Feb 14, 2008 6:24 am)

I own a 2006 GLS and the car handles fine. About the only complaint I have from the rear of the car is that it does lack some noise protection, especially when the trunk is empty. Other than that, the car has more than met my expectations.
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Re: An hour with a Camry LE-V6 [94hawkskin] by mickeyrom
Feb 14, 2008 (9:52 am)
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Replying to: 94hawkskin (Feb 14, 2008 9:31 am)

I have owned (leased actually) a 2006 Sonata GLS and had no problems whatsovever with handling or ride. Great car.
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Re: An hour with a Camry LE-V6 [mickeyrom] by colloquor
Feb 14, 2008 (1:52 pm)
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Replying to: mickeyrom (Feb 14, 2008 9:52 am)

I didn't mean to ruffle any feathers, but it's what I experienced. I had essentially the same experience with a Sonata rental in Dallas a few months ago, so it wasn't peculiar to this particular vehicle. I've also driven the Limited V6, and have not noticed the problem even though the suspensions are the same with the exception of the wheel size and perhaps the rear strut/shock valve calibration.
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Re: An hour with a Camry LE-V6 [colloquor] by jeffyscott
Feb 14, 2008 (2:37 pm)
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Replying to: colloquor (Feb 14, 2008 1:52 pm)

CR seems to agree that the ride/handling are not great in the Sonata, they had this to say about that:
 
The soft, pliant suspension of the Sonata provides good isolation from the road, but suspension noise intrudes...
Frequent body motions are noticeable as speed rises. On the highway, the ride is buoyant.
The Sonata has noticeable body lean, and the steering is a bit numb. Bumps in corners cause the car to bob and pitch, making it feel ungainly.
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Re: acura tsx/tl or lincoln mkz [m6user] by according2u06
Feb 14, 2008 (8:53 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (Feb 12, 2008 5:28 pm)

Actually, this post was quite interesting to read! Thanks for sharing your story.
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Chicago Auto Show-Military by m6user
Feb 16, 2008 (8:46 pm)
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Just wanted to pass on to future attendees to the Chicago Auto Show(or if you are going tomorrow which is the last day of this year's show), if you are active military or currently serving in the reserve/guard admission is free. I have been going off and on for the past 30 years and just found out from a friend that this was the case. I am presently in the air force reserves and have been for the past 26 years and just showed my ID and walked in.
 
This is not advertised on the official website anywhere.
 
Saw the 2009 Sonata and took a couple of pics of the GLS dash. I had only seen the Limited dash so far in picutres with the Nav screen. If someone could tell me how to insert photos into a post, I will add them.
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Re: 2006 Hyundai Sonata [94hawkskin] by andres3
Feb 16, 2008 (10:37 pm)
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Replying to: 94hawkskin (Feb 11, 2008 2:19 pm)

The only downside is that Hyundai doesn't hold their value as well as others, but like all my cars, I will keep this car until it at least has close to 200,000 miles on it at which point all cars are worthless.
 
Wrong! Absolutely utterly wrong!
 
If you are financially blessed enough to call $2,700 dollars cash "worthless," then more power to you. I myself, might call a pair of old underwear worthless, but I certainly consider $2,700 to be a lot of money.
 
A few years ago we sold our '92 Civic DX Hatchback for $2,700 cash and it had just over 200,000 miles. It was still in great shape (and I will admit we put $1,000 in recent repairs and maintenance into it). So I'd say maybe $500 in unscheduled maintenance/repair. That is pretty darn good considering we bought it at 166K miles, and that was the total unscheduled bill.
 
So if you buy Toyota's and Honda's, I'd say they are NEVER worthless if kept in good shape. People know they are bulletproof to about 300K if maintained properly.

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