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13230 messages, Last post on Nov 26, 2009 at 7:25 PM
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Replying to: plekto (Feb 12, 2008 1:53 pm) don't believe I can argue the point too successfully, heaven knows Toyota (and several other mfgrs.) have been taking their lumps lately with this 'computer garbage'. Who would have thought not too long ago that we would have TSBs on how to 'reprogram' a car so that IT might more successfully do what we want it to? But the fact does remain that few drivers would ever know the difference and it does produce some excellent fuel economy as well as some 'safety' enhancements. I guess FE and Safety sell better than basic driveability. In the Camry, and several other cars in this class, we have cars that will easily outrun many of those 'muscle cars' of times passed - and burn just a fraction of the gas - a whole lot more cleanly. Progress any way you want to look at it? The era of the simple 'mechanical' tranny is gone and further don't be surprised if you don't start seeing electronic 'interference' on MT cars as well - like on the current M3. The 'Powerglide' is dead!
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 12, 2008 2:34 pm) GM also has this exact same problem. World-class engines mated to bland packaging, tall gearing, and a philosophy that seems to be the exact opposite of performance. But the 2.4 i-4 is a great engine, no argument there. I just get tired of hearing how much HP a car has from everyone here without the rest of the drivetrain being part of the equation.
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Replying to: bhmr59 (Feb 11, 2008 7:18 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (Feb 12, 2008 2:41 pm) start?...  Hasn't Toyota always made soft riding, vague handling cars? Has the Camry ever been anything but that? Being that it is the top seller, I'm not sure what the motivation would be for changing the character of the vehicle. |
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Feb 13, 2008 5:30 am) I also just spent a week with a "brand spanking new" 2008 Hyundai Sonata GLS from Hertz (6 miles on the odometer), and although the ride is decent, the suspension is simply not in the same league as either the Camry or Accord. I've been a supporter of Hyundai on these boards, and I have no basic qualms with the Sonata's front suspension setup, but the rear suspension suffers from several dynamic problems, including under dampening, and shock control. I know they are addressing this in the 2009's, and well they should.
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Feb 13, 2008 5:30 am) start?... The previous ones were kind of still "Japanese", but the recent generation Toyotas are solidly GM clones. Or vice-versa. It's hard to tell which is copying which anymore.
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Replying to: plekto (Feb 13, 2008 11:46 am) The European makes' attitude here has primarily been one of "take it or leave it  " when it comes to attracting Americans. As one who favors nimble handling over advanced cupholder technology, I was a sucker for light, responsive Saabs, GTI's, Triumphs, etc. I'm happy that in the past 15yrs or so, the Asians have seen fit to offer models that appeal to people trading out of Euro-cars (IS300, WRX, Evo, TSX, TL, newer Civics, G20, G35) while still making models that attract former Land Yacht owners (Avalon, Amanti, Pilot, Highlander, Endeavor). Now we can have a mix of Euro-flavor  without the headaches of poor reliability and expensive "Jag-You-Arrhhh" or "Bring My Wallet" servicing  !
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Replying to: plekto (Feb 12, 2008 2:41 pm) OK I'll bite - what engines would those be?
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Replying to: captain2 (Feb 13, 2008 2:44 pm)
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Replying to: colloquor (Feb 13, 2008 10:27 am)
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