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Re: acura tsx/tl or lincoln mkz [robger99] by exshoman
Feb 10, 2008 (5:26 pm)
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Replying to: robger99 (Feb 10, 2008 6:56 am)

Ya know, there's a pretty easy solution to this. Teach her how to drive a stick. I did that last year and now she's a pro at it. After her first couple lessons, she was calling it, a 2006 Accord 5spd, the "demon car". But by the third lesson, she was getting the hang of it, and she actually likes driving it now.
 
Figure it's a good skill to have.
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Re: An hour with a Camry LE-V6 [thegraduate] by lilengineerboy
Feb 10, 2008 (6:23 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Feb 10, 2008 3:11 pm)


Engine -
Above 3000 RPM, this thing is a monster. TONS of usable power, and highway speed has no effect on it seemingly - it pulls as hard at 20 MPH as it does at 70 when you give enough throttle for a downshift or two. Interestingly though, around town the Camry felt slower than my 4-cylinder Accord, and I'm sure this is due to the lazy throttle response programming on the Toyota, and the sharper programming in the Honda. The quiet in this car is serene, but I'd rather hear a little more of the 2GR!

 
I think they have this figured out, I have never felt the 2.4 in the Accord down for power, especially with the manual transmission. I have also been happy with the fuel economy. Of course, I was fine with the 93 Accord and the 93 Civic as well, power and economy-wise.
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Re: acura tsx/tl or lincoln mkz [exshoman] by akirby
Feb 10, 2008 (6:27 pm)
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Replying to: exshoman (Feb 10, 2008 5:26 pm)

It is a skill that everyone needs, but do you really want a teenager focusing on shifting when they need all their attention on steering, accelerating and braking? Teach them how to drive a stick but give them a 4 cylinder auto for at least the first two years.
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2006 Hyundai Sonata by 94hawkskin
Feb 11, 2008 (2:19 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Feb 10, 2008 6:27 pm)

Bought a 2006 Hyundai Sonata GLS (I4) in Dec. of 2005 and thought I would post an update for all the Hyundai doubters.
 
I now have 40,000 trouble free miles on my car. Not even a single shake, vibration or squeal from the car yet. The interior is still the same as the day I bought it. Outside of a car that I t-boned (not my fault), the exterior is also still the same. Had to replace the front grill, bumper and hood from the wreck.
 
Have had a lot of people ride in the car and said something like, "What did this thing cost about $25,000 or something." You should see the shock in their face when I tell them $17,000. They can't believe a car can be this quiet, ride this nice and be hassle free for the price I paid.
 
The only downside is that Hyundai doesn't hold their value as well as others, but like all my cars, I will keep this car until it at least has close to 200,000 miles on it at which point all cars are worthless.
 
Just thought I would post as a lot of people said see how that Hyundai holds up when you get some miles on it.
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Re: 2006 Hyundai Sonata [94hawkskin] by mickeyrom
Feb 11, 2008 (3:56 pm)
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Replying to: 94hawkskin (Feb 11, 2008 2:19 pm)

Good that you like your Sonata. I had one just like yours and I loved it. The only reason I traded it was that I needed a power seat and wanted leather.Not available with an I4 engine at the time from Hyundai. So...I bought a KIA Optima. Very similar but with a tauter suspension.
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Re: acura tsx/tl or lincoln mkz [akirby] by kdshapiro
Feb 11, 2008 (4:27 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Feb 10, 2008 6:27 pm)

I learned to drive, driving a stick. There is nothing wrong with it.
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Re: acura tsx/tl or lincoln mkz [kdshapiro] by karsick
Feb 11, 2008 (4:41 pm)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Feb 11, 2008 4:27 pm)

Good point.
 
I'd guess most of us on this forum learned to drive on a manual tranny. My dad just made sure we were on rural roads away from traffic when he let me drive the first time.
 
Don't give your kid a "crutch" that will keep them from enjoying cars as they were meant to be.
 
Your kid will get a HUGE ego boost knowing something that their overprotected echo-boomer friends have been shielded from (IMHO, natch )
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Re: acura tsx/tl or lincoln mkz [akirby] by lilengineerboy
Feb 11, 2008 (5:15 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Feb 10, 2008 6:27 pm)

I disagree. I think focusing on shifting is better than focusing on the radio, text messaging, cell phoning or various other in-vehicle distractions. I think shifting actually helps young drivers learn to drive because it provides a strong connection to the vehicle and control.
Then again, myself and all of my friends learned to drive on manual transmission cars, and have only had sticks since then.
There was a study done in Israel that said it takes 5 years to learn to drive a stick, but that is based on Israeli driving habits, so based on time in vehicle and mileage, it would be more like 2 years in the US. By learning to drive a stick, they mean there is no additional cognitive load.
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Re: An hour with a Camry LE-V6 [lilengineerboy] by plekto
Feb 11, 2008 (5:25 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Feb 10, 2008 6:23 pm)

Interestingly though, around town the Camry felt slower than my 4-cylinder Accord, and I'm sure this is due to the lazy throttle response programming on the Toyota, and the sharper programming in the Honda. The quiet in this car is serene, but I'd rather hear a little more of the 2GR!
 
It's really the transmission. It has such tall gearing with the automatic that short of flogging it, it'll never willingly stay in the 2500-3500 rpm range. Thankfully I hear the 5 speed automatic solves a little of that.
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Re: An hour with a Camry LE-V6 [plekto] by thegraduate
Feb 11, 2008 (6:48 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (Feb 11, 2008 5:25 pm)

Actually, the gearing was just fine in the 6-sp Camry, it was the throttle response that was sluggish. I was in 2nd gear by 12 mph, and 3rd by 22 or so, and that' typical RPM ranges. Pretty short to me.

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