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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#8772 of 20239 Re: got to have it factor joke [choe13]
Feb 09, 2008 (12:00 pm)
Based on C/D's criteria, too much body roll for their taste plus slower acceleration in the 1/4 mile plus the subjective factors like "gotta have it", were enough to put the Sonata 4th in the scoring. But as we've been reminded by other posters here, the raw scores don't tell the whole story. As you noted, the comments from C/D's editors were very positive about the Sonata, except for having too much body roll for their taste and a wish for the structure to be as stiff as the Accord's and Altima's, two newer designs. So when you look at the overall picture, and how the Sonata scored just 2 points overall (or about 1%) behind one of C/D's 10Best, the Malibu (and beat it on Vehicle and Powertrain), and tied another C/D 10Best, the Accord, on Vehicle and got nipped on Powertrain only because of being 0.4 seconds slower in the 1/4 mile test, I think it was a very impressive showing for a refresh of a car that debuted in late 2004 (in the home market), up against newer designs from Honda, Nissan, and Chevy.
#8773 of 20239 Re: Accord not the ugly duckling anymore? [kdshapiro]
Feb 09, 2008 (12:03 pm)
Obviously you do not live in Fairfield County, or you are in lower Farifield County...that's where the big bucks are.
Most of Fairfield County residents aren't rich. Housing costs are very high. Gasoline at the lowest place in my area just dropped to $3.19, although 15 miles away it's 10 cents cheaper. My gas heat bill issued 2/6/08, 32 day period, 921 degree days, 274 CCF of usage (we have programmable thermostats with the heat at 62 to 65 almost all time time, one 264 sq ft room on it's own heating zone is at 70 for 5 hours) was $414. Electric bill, 30 days, 563Kwh = $126.
Yeah, in our town there's BMWs, some MBs, a lot of new(er) SUVs. Most of those BMWs & MBs are purchased to impress and most of them are not bought new.
Some people prefer a new reliable car and others will buy a few year old name badge. I guess I don't live in the right part of Fairfield County and certainly don't have a high enough income to have hired help, never mind buying a car for that hired help.
#8774 of 20239 Re: Accord not the ugly duckling anymore? [bhmr59]
Feb 09, 2008 (12:26 pm)
My bad, I confused your part of town with Greenwich. My point still stands though.
#8775 of 20239 acura tsx/tl or lincoln mkz
Feb 09, 2008 (12:50 pm)
Lease is up on my speed 6 and am looking at acura TSX or TL or lincoln MKZ .TSX is slightly cheaper($350.00 month) with the TL and MkZ being pretty equal cost wise($400.00 month). All 36 month lease with 15k/year with total out of pocket $1000.00.Any advice on either cars or prices would be appreciated.
#8776 of 20239 Re: Accord not the ugly duckling anymore? [bhmr59]
Feb 09, 2008 (4:31 pm)
I have noticed that there are a lot of us residents of Fairfield County, CT here on Edmunds. Very interesting, considering how small of an area we live in.
#8777 of 20239 Re: Accord not the ugly duckling anymore? [aviboy97]
Feb 09, 2008 (5:50 pm)
I'm in Trumbull, some 40 miles from Greenwhich and just a few miles from the economically hurting city of Bridgeport.
We (my 2 man company) bought bought our latest Sonata in Denville, NJ at Towne Hyundai. They're 100 miles from my house. Through word of mouth, Towne Hyundai has sold 8 cars in the last year through our and a friend's recommendations.
Key Hyundai in Bridgeport is good for service, but they don't have good selling prices. Before I heard of Towne, I flew to Naples, FL in April 2005 and saved (after including trip expenses) $1500. [It didn't cost me anything to stay in Naples because my parents live there.]
#8778 of 20239 Re: acura tsx/tl or lincoln mkz [robger99]
Feb 10, 2008 (5:03 am)
Robger99 - the TSX is due for a redue, IIRC it has been out for a while in its current guise. The nice thing about it and the TL is the availability of a 6 speed manual transmission, I didn't know if that was an issue coming from the Speed6. The TSX is also smaller than the others you mentioned, and is probably the sportiest of the bunch. It is also the most related to the Accord and has a 4 cylinder while the others have V6s (of course, coming from the Speed6, you probably understand a powerful 4 can be fine). Personally, the TL didn't do much for me. It was very nice but didn't stir my soul or anything.
I haven't driven the MKZ yet. I did like the interior alot and if the Sync with navigation is a great system. Even without nav, it is cheaper than a lot of stand-alone car kits and allows hands free operation of the audio system and any device connected to it as well. The handling for the MKZ is supposed to be on the sporty side, but I haven't driven it yet.
Have you driven these 3 cars? Did you have a favorite?
#8779 of 20239 Re: acura tsx/tl or lincoln mkz [lilengineerboy]
Feb 10, 2008 (6:56 am)
Have not driven any of them yet,just starting to research. Want to go to an auto trans. as my 16 year old daughter will be driving it from time to time and she cant drive a stick. will miss the 6 speed in the speed 6 though.Thanks for the insights.
#8780 of 20239 Re: Hyundai more expensive than Camry and Malibu [elroy5]
Feb 10, 2008 (7:01 am)
It will certainly make me rethink about getting the 2009. My 2006 LX is doing fine, but I was thinking about going for the newer model. I will take the wait and see attitude now.
#8781 of 20239 Re: Hyundai more expensive than Camry and Malibu [lightfootfl]
Feb 10, 2008 (9:58 am)
Even with the Alabama plant, Hyundai must be really squeezed by the weak dollar. I've seen the autoblog article about pricing challenged, but even if they do peg at this price it might be a play by Hyundai to do the GM schtick of a couple of years ago: price high and give very aggressive discounts.
I generally buy Korean or GM cars despite the depreciation because the purchase price is so much better. Even though I like my Optima (and Maxx for that matter) a lot. Getting to completely different price points on Korean cars may be a real marketing problem for HyunKia.