Midsize Sedans 2.0

Replying to: backy (Feb 08, 2008 3:20 pm)

I think the most telling points from the Sonata refresh, aside from the fantastic interior revisions, are the engines and corresponding fuel economy.
 
The 2.4L I4 & 3.3L V6 get bump in hp to 175 and 249 respectively. Despite the increase, MPG gains further, with the I4 now boasts as class-leading, and the V6 is at the top of the pack, if not the best (I don't recall exactly).
 
Of course, all those, plus list of features longer than _____ (put whatever you feel like ), quality and reliability attributes, kick-a$$ warranty, roomiest car, and many other goods, what's not to like.

Replying to: kdshapiro (Feb 08, 2008 11:02 am)

Just more proof of the "gotta have it" theory....
 
Anyone ever compare the raw numbers on the Chevy Aveo with the numbers for the basic Mini Cooper?????
 
... or the Cooper vs the Yaris, the Accent or the Rio????
 
Not much separates these cars objectively, but one company charges twice as much, and their cars are known for retaining a high % of their value despite being more problematic.
 
Anybody honestly think "gotta have it" isn't important to buyers?

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Replying to: joe97 (Feb 08, 2008 6:28 pm)

I have a feeling some marketing folk at HMA are kicking themselves about now, slapping themselves upside the head with "We coulda sent an SE!" When you consider C/D's two knocks on the 2009 Limited were that its platform was not as stiff as the Accord's or Altima's (probably nothing to do about that until the next redesign) and the reflexes needed to be 10% quicker, the sport suspension and handling on the SE could have taken care of that issue perhaps. For the price point C/D was shooting for, they actualy could have tested an SE V6, and blown the doors off the other entries, ala the Edmunds' Accord/Sonata/Camry comparo from a couple of years ago. But since the idea was to test I4 cars with ATs, their report on the SE V6 will have to wait for another day.

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Replying to: elroy5 (Feb 08, 2008 8:31 pm)

According to price data at Edmunds.com, the blog entry is in error. The list price of the base 2009 Sonata, the GLS 5MT, is $18,795 including destination charge. The list price of the base 2009 Camry, the CE 5MT, is $19,380. However, if you want ESC, which is standard on the Sonata, that's an additional $650 on the Camry, so the price difference becomes $1235. So the Sonata is not more expensive than the Camry.
 
As for the Malibu, the least-expensive Malibu is $19,995 including destination. It has a 4AT but no ESC (or body side moldings for that matter, they are $150 extra). The least expensive Sonata with an AT (5AT with Shifttronic) is $19,995--the same as the base Malibu w/o ESC. The least expensive Malibu with ESC is $21,280.
 
Don't believe everything you read in a blog.

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