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13220 messages,  Last post on Nov 23, 2009 at 6:22 AM

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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Car and driver comparison joke [backy] by thegraduate
Feb 07, 2008 (9:09 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Feb 07, 2008 8:52 pm)

No, I haven't read the article, that's why I was sort of "asking" about things instead of simply "stating them."
 
Half a second in 0-60 times doesn't seem like 2 points-worth, but then again I don't know how the rest of the point system worked.
 
As far as "gotta-have-it" goes it sounds like they're trying to put a point value on the cachet factor to me.
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Re: Car and driver comparison joke [backy] by elroy5
Feb 07, 2008 (9:24 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Feb 07, 2008 8:52 pm)

So C&D liked the Accord more than the Sonata. Is that a surprise? Maybe the reasons they liked the Accord better could not be expressed in numbers. The way a car connects with drivers, can't be expressed in numbers. Because they work for a magazine, they can't have opinions? Consumer Reports is the least opinionated magazine, but you probably don't like their results either. You don't have to agree with what the magazines say, but they are entitled to their opinion, just like you are.
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Re: Car and driver comparison joke [elroy5] by backy
Feb 07, 2008 (9:39 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Feb 07, 2008 9:24 pm)

No, it's not a surprise to me that C/D liked the Accord better than the Sonata. They made the Accord one of their 10Best for 2008, so it's no surprise it came out on top in the comparo. Interesting though that the Altima came in 2nd, ahead of another 10Best car, the Malibu.
 
Why do you make it sound like I don't think C/D should be entitled to its opinion? C'mon, get real here. What I did was point out that the numerical scores for the Accord and Sonata were very close, except for a couple of purely subjective factors like "gotta have it". Like you said, you can't express everything about a car in numbers. They had a lot of verbal praise for the Accord. But also for the Sonata, if you read the comparo.
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Re: Car and driver comparison joke [socal2006] by tedebear
Feb 07, 2008 (9:40 pm)
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Replying to: socal2006 (Feb 07, 2008 8:50 pm)

There is a mag that is not biased towards performance... it's called Consumer Reports
 
Oh yes, CR - the import shopper's guide.
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Re: Car and driver comparison joke [backy] by elroy5
Feb 07, 2008 (10:07 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Feb 07, 2008 9:39 pm)

Backy, I get the impression you think Car & Driver picked the Accord, simply because it was the Accord, and for no other reason. If so, why would you read the comparison at all?
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Re: Car and driver comparison joke [tedebear] by andres3
Feb 07, 2008 (10:45 pm)
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Replying to: tedebear (Feb 07, 2008 9:40 pm)

ACtually, CR is every INFORMED shopper's guide, for all vehicles.
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Re: Car and driver comparison joke [andres3] by pat HOST
Feb 08, 2008 (4:03 am)
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Replying to: andres3 (Feb 07, 2008 10:45 pm)

In your humble opinion, of course.
 
Here's the place for that ongoing debate that really doesn't belong here: Comments: Consumer Reports/JD Power Rankings.
 
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Re: Car and driver comparison joke [tedebear] by lilengineerboy
Feb 08, 2008 (4:23 am)
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Replying to: tedebear (Feb 07, 2008 9:40 pm)

There is a mag that is not biased towards performance... it's called Consumer Reports
 
I concur, but if your sole emphases is on utilitarian concerns, I don't understand why you need CR.
 
Oh yes, CR - the import shopper's guide.
 
Given the number of Ford and GM vehicles on the recommended lists, I don't know if that is true anymore.
 
When it was true, eh Ford and GM kind of got there on their own.
 
The Fusion seems to be an actual competitive vehicle in the midesize vehicle segment.
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Re: Car and driver comparison joke [lilengineerboy] by mickeyrom
Feb 08, 2008 (4:57 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Feb 08, 2008 4:23 am)

I have a feeling that there are no bad cars any more. Just good ones and excellent ones.Of course there are those "lemons".
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Re: Car and driver comparison joke [elroy5] by backy
Feb 08, 2008 (6:05 am)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Feb 07, 2008 10:07 pm)

Your impression is incorrect. That's not what I said at all.
 
I get the impression that you are being overly sensitive about someone pointing out how close a Korean car has gotten to the Accord in the opinion of the editors of C/D.

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