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Replying to: aviboy97 (Feb 07, 2008 3:39 pm) I don't think that is short supply. Also, in my area (Fairfield County, CT), people don't really have liquid cash. It's all invested. 1. it's just a little ol' prediction that 2008 will be good for Honda. 2. People in Fairfield are in BMW and MB terriority. Accords are bought for the hired help. It's like citing an example of car ownership in the one block in Beverly Hills with $50M homes and extrapolating that to the world. 3. I would rather live rich than die rich. |
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I just read the car and driver march mid size sedan comparison and i just laughed because of dumb criterias like "got to have it" factors the sonata was placed 4th. It scored the highest along with the accord on factors that really matter in a midsize car such as driving manners, value, interior, trunk space etc totals at 81 points, in the powertrain department only 2 pts off the accord and altima at 41 compared to 43 and had alot of 7's in the handling department compared to the accord and altimas 8's. But if you take out the dumb criterias such as gotto have it factors the sonata actually tied for third with the the malibu with just altima and accord just merely ahead Car and driver imo is too biased on performance critereas which these cars shouldn't pretend they are; sports sedans. Especially 4 bangers like these Simple truth is that if meaninful critereas of what a family car should embody such as quiet ride, decent performance, safety, space, trunk space, back space, value are placed higher than pure performances critereas without the ridiculous got to have it factor also the sonata would have won or been top two. I've seen the new altima front crumble under a weak crash test(who wants to drive this unsafe car??), driven the new accord and feel the ride is a little stiff and interior way too crazy, driven the new Malibu and overall a surpisingly decent car~ but i really don't know about gms quality yet. This would be my ranking Sonata first Accord second Malibu Third Camry Fourth Altima fifth Fusion 6th Avenger 7th with the v'6 comparisons coming and sonata ready for it with its sport supension version it will be interesting to see where car and driver will place it then
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Feb 07, 2008 2:31 pm) Exactly why are they waiting? The 2008 Accord is out and there are plenty of them on the lots from what I see around here. Are they waiting for incentives? That wouldn't be phenomenal for Honda.
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Replying to: baggs32 (Feb 07, 2008 6:57 pm) It's ironic that the Civic is the exact opposite (fresh, clean & innovative outside, plain old weird inside (the Star Trek steering wheel needs to be tossed out. Why not borrow the TSX's classic black 3-spoke wheel & reflection-free black dashtop???) The Accord's boring, overstyled looks are simply going to discourage sales. Revert back to the 98-02 model for design ideas (or even the 90-93!) |
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Replying to: baggs32 (Feb 07, 2008 6:57 pm) As to the earlier comment from someone else, about the past.... this is the first recession we've had in which there was a viable, high-quality, low-priced alternative--actually several--to the Accord. That may be one reason why Accord sales are dipping. Much tougher competition out there than a few years ago. |
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Replying to: choe13 (Feb 07, 2008 6:23 pm) Because Car & Driver's criterea is different from yours, it's wrong?  What does engine size have to do with handling? A car doesn't have to have a lot of power, to be considered "sporty". The Sonata seems to be the right car for you, but not everyone's criteria is the same as yours.
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Replying to: choe13 (Feb 07, 2008 6:23 pm) I think Hyundai goofed on this one. They should know by now what kind of behavior the editors of C/D are looking for--e.g. crisp handling--and should have supplied them with the SE I4, with its sport suspension and steering, and maybe even the B&M shifter. It would have cost a lot less than the Limited also. Who knows, maybe the sharper handling and extra value points for a lower price would have been enough for the Sonata to tie or even beat the Accord--on everything but "gotta have it" anyway. 
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Replying to: backy (Feb 07, 2008 8:21 pm) backy, I'm not nit-picking here (or maybe I am, but I'm not intending to pick at you), but it would seem to me that there's more a power train than horsepower numbers and acceleration times. The sound the engine makes, the willingness to rev, and the around-town "torque" should be included in scoring a powertrain, right? I'm not "telling" but instead "asking" since I haven't driven the updated Sonata. I don't know how it sounds or feels relative to the 2008 Accord.
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Replying to: choe13 (Feb 07, 2008 6:23 pm) There is a mag that is not biased towards performance... it's called Consumer Reports. I suggest looking there for 'unbiased' reviews. |
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Replying to: thegraduate (Feb 07, 2008 8:27 pm)
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