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Accord not the ugly duckling anymore? by baggs32
Feb 07, 2008 (7:11 am)
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I think Honda finally did it. They finally made the Accord look better than its Acura cousin. The new RL breaks new ground in ugliness IMO and makes the new Accord look like the beauty queen of the HMC.
 
I know it's a bit OT, but I had to let that out. I think I now have a newfound respect for the Accord.
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Re: Accord not the ugly duckling anymore? [baggs32] by akirby
Feb 07, 2008 (7:53 am)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Feb 07, 2008 7:11 am)

Did I read correctly that Accord sales were down 8% in January? Anybody know the number of days supply of 08 Accords? That would tell if it was a supply shortage or just a sales decrease.
 
I don't see the RL doing any better with this one than the old one. The MKS has basically the same torque (within 6 lb/ft), same or more features and should be several thousand dollars cheaper. And it looks better.
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Re: Accord not the ugly duckling anymore? [akirby] by baggs32
Feb 07, 2008 (9:57 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Feb 07, 2008 7:53 am)

Did I read correctly that Accord sales were down 8% in January?
 
It's actually about -7%. January Honda sales.
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Re: Accord not the ugly duckling anymore? [akirby] by joe97
Feb 07, 2008 (11:43 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Feb 07, 2008 7:53 am)

It doesn't matter. The whole industry was pretty much down in January compared to the same period last January. It was a terrible month for most.
 
The more I read about the RL, the more I think the Genesis will make a good impression when it hits the showroom.
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Re: Accord not the ugly duckling anymore? [joe97] by akirby
Feb 07, 2008 (12:12 pm)
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Replying to: joe97 (Feb 07, 2008 11:43 am)

Fusion and Milan retail sales were slightly up (fleet sales were down so overall they were down around 10%). Camry sales were basically flat thanks to the hybrid. The 2008 Accord is a brand new model (according to Honda). I would have expected it to be flat or slightly up even if the market was slightly down.
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Re: Accord not the ugly duckling anymore? [joe97] by aviboy97
Feb 07, 2008 (12:50 pm)
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Replying to: joe97 (Feb 07, 2008 11:43 am)

Mazda had their best January in 14 years. They posted a 10.2% growth over last January. The Mazda6 its self was up 27%. How much was fleet and how much was retail, I could not find.
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Re: Accord not the ugly duckling anymore? [akirby] by backy
Feb 07, 2008 (12:51 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Feb 07, 2008 12:12 pm)

The 2008 Accord is also one of the priciest options in this class now, w/o the incentives available on cars like Camry, Fulan, Mazda6, Sonata, Optima etc. In a down economy, many buyers will be extra sensitive to price.
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Re: Accord not the ugly duckling anymore? [backy] by baggs32
Feb 07, 2008 (1:58 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Feb 07, 2008 12:51 pm)

In a down economy, many buyers will be extra sensitive to price.
 
In the past that didn't seem to matter. People bought Hondas no matter what the price because of their reputation. Maybe that reputation doesn't hold as much water anymore with the increases in quality scores for the other mfrs. Maybe not. Definitely something to think about though.
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Re: Accord not the ugly duckling anymore? [baggs32] by kdshapiro
Feb 07, 2008 (2:31 pm)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Feb 07, 2008 1:58 pm)

My guess is those who want to buy a Honda may be waiting. 2008 is going to be a phenomonal year for them.
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Re: Accord not the ugly duckling anymore? [kdshapiro] by aviboy97
Feb 07, 2008 (3:39 pm)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Feb 07, 2008 2:31 pm)

Why would it be pheromonal? The only new product on the horizon is the 2009 Pilot, and we all know how the reaction has been to that so far.
 
So far, 2008 has been a dismal for Honda. Yes, I know, it's only January. However, in my neck of the woods, two local Honda dealers have over 150 Accords in stock. I don't think that is short supply. Also, in my area (Fairfield County, CT), people don't really have liquid cash. It's all invested. They have huge mortgages, fancy cars, and no money. To make things worse, what they have invested is tanking. It's safe to say in my area, no one is going to do so well as of right now.
 
I had a gentleman come in and try to buy a Mazda3 for his son, and since the stock took a nose dive, he could not use any of it for the car. He needed to use it for income. He needed it for income because the $175K he makes was already spent on living expenses. Sad, huh?

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