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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan

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#867 of 18204 Re: New motor for Fusion...Sort of [joe97] by baggs32

May 10, 2007 (6:26 pm)

Replying to: joe97 (May 10, 2007 4:36 pm)
Maybe you forgot Ford removed Taurus fleet completely, so let's think about this logically.
 
Good point, and I did forget that. However my point was that the only proof I've seen so far of Sonata fleet sales being down is a 5-month old news article stating that all of Hyundai fleet sales are down. If that's what we're going by here, and without real numbers yet, then according to the latest news Fusion fleet sales are down too.
 
While typing this I found the link I was referring to. Turns out the numbers I saw are from mid-2006. Sonata fleet sales were just over 50% and Fusion fleet sales were 18.8%. Anyone know if the new numbers are actually closer now?

#868 of 18204 Re: are more expensive cars cheaper? [elroy5] by explorerx4

May 10, 2007 (6:27 pm)

Replying to: elroy5 (May 10, 2007 6:00 pm)
this just struck a(c)cord with me. my neighbor across the street had an accord that was in 3 major accidents. the first was when it was a few months old. based on what my neighbor told me, the insurance company wanted to total it, but he would not let them, so it got fixed. anyways, he put it out on the corner and some guy bought it for his daughter. when he was putting the plates on it, he gave me a look while i was mowing my lawn, like 'i got a deal'.
i really wanted to say something, but i didn't.
my point is, a lot of buyers of used cars don't have a clue.

#869 of 18204 Re: New motor for Fusion...Sort of [joe97] by scape2

May 10, 2007 (6:42 pm)

Replying to: joe97 (May 09, 2007 7:22 pm)
"Wrong on both counts. Fusion fleets are actually going up as we speak"
 
Please prove this. you can't because its not true. Ford does sell some Fusions to fleets but its much, much lower than at the levels of the Taurus. This is all over the net. And what about the Toyota fleet sales of the Camry??

#870 of 18204 Re: are more expensive cars cheaper? [jd10013] by elroy5

May 10, 2007 (6:45 pm)

Replying to: jd10013 (May 10, 2007 6:14 pm)
paying 6000 for a 12yr old car with 150,000 miles on it is just stupid.
 
Who said $6,000? Fact is, the car was well worth $5,000 and I would not have sold it for less. I still wonder if I made the right decision to sell it. The fact that I needed to have a truck, made selling the car a necessity.

#871 of 18204 Re: are more expensive cars cheaper? [captain2] by scape2

May 10, 2007 (6:47 pm)

Replying to: captain2 (May 10, 2007 6:49 am)
"Ford needs to discount to sell the 6 (or the Fusion). In any case,"
 
Ever thought Ford/Hyundia just decided to sell a great car at a great value and maybe Honda/Toyota are taking you for a ride?
 
"Cheap now will almost always equal cheap later, and the reverse is also true" Cheap in what way? Or is this just because its a Ford product?
 
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#872 of 18204 Re: New motor for Fusion...Sort of [benderofbows] by scape2

May 10, 2007 (6:51 pm)

Replying to: benderofbows (May 10, 2007 8:57 am)
"From a dead stop, a manual 4-cyl Accord will hold its own against an auto V6 Fusion."
 
No, it won't.

#873 of 18204 Re: are more expensive cars cheaper? [jeffyscott] by scape2

May 10, 2007 (6:53 pm)

Replying to: jeffyscott (May 10, 2007 12:24 pm)
"That is where you lose me. Honestly, I am trying to understand why you think resale value is so all important."
 
I agree. Honda folks love to tought resale value. Yet, they leave out the initial higher price paid, along with the higher interest over the lifetime of the loan..
 
Cars are not an investment either...
 
Another thing here. Resale on the internet is an average. Real world is where resales come in. I had a 2000 Accord LX and 3 dealerships wouldn't give me more than 10,000 in 2004 for it! Perception to the public is also key on resale value. It has been bashed into our heads that Honda/Toyota are so much more reliable and they are "worth it". In my experience they are not. The internet has all kinds of information about reliability data. Get out and take a look. You will be surprised.

#874 of 18204 Re: New motor for Fusion...Sort of [baggs32] by bhmr59

May 10, 2007 (6:57 pm)

Replying to: baggs32 (May 10, 2007 6:26 pm)
According to the 12/1/06 statement pasted in #831, Hyundai started curtailing fleet sales dramatically in 11/06. If they established a new policy in November, they would not keep issuing the same press release month after month. While such monthly press releases wouldn't be a "5 month old new article",they would certainly be "old news."
 
Hyundai added XM radio to Sonata's built in late 2006. They had a press release about that. While they advertise that XM is included, they don't issue press releases each month to announce that XM is included.

#875 of 18204 Re: are more expensive cars cheaper? [scape2] by goodegg

May 10, 2007 (7:28 pm)

Replying to: scape2 (May 10, 2007 6:53 pm)
Honda/Toyota are so much more reliable and they are "worth it". In my experience they are not
 
My experience is the total opposite. My 2 Fords have been very weak compared to the satisfaction my 3 Hondas and 2 Toyotas deliver. Ford's burned me twice. I doubt I'd ever buy one again. My 15 year old won't see one in the driveway either. Leaning towards an Elantra.
 
And I get "out on the internet". I don't need it to tell me to steer clear of Ford.

#876 of 18204 Re: are more expensive cars cheaper? [goodegg] by goodegg

May 10, 2007 (7:50 pm)

Replying to: goodegg (May 10, 2007 7:28 pm)
My experience is the total opposite. My 2 Fords have been very weak compared to the satisfaction my 3 Hondas and 2 Toyotas deliver.
 
I feel the same. Ford needs to step it up to earn my business. The Fusion seems to be an OK car, but its too new on the scene for it to be judged in the esteemed light of an Accord (yea I'm Honda-biased but for a good reason). Lets see how it holds together with 90,000 miles on it. The Aura looks good too, but how do we know what it'll be like with 90,000 on it?
 
I'm pulling for GM tho with its new models - the Aura, the new Malibu, and the new CTS. C'mon GM.

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