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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#8531 of 20193 Re: 2009 Fusion Engine [captain2]
Jan 22, 2008 (11:48 am)
Going by 2007's numbers, here are the EPA's estimates for the following for 4 bangers.
Honda Accord : 24-34
Nissan Altima: 26-34
Toyota Camry: 24-33
Ford Fusion: 23-31
Mazda6 : 24-31
I believe that the oldest engine design in this segment is the Fords, because they are using Mazdas 2.3L design that debuted in 2002 for the 2003 Mazda6. All of the other 4 cyl's are newer, aside from Hondas 2.4. Fuel economy seems to be pretty darn close.
#8533 of 20193 Re: 2009 Fusion Engine [akirby]
Jan 22, 2008 (12:16 pm)
Sorely disappointed in what - the fact that both the supposed new I4 and certainly the 'new' DT3.5 are unremarkable and still, to a large degree, not competitive even though the mfgr. has had a few extra years to develop them.The subjects at hand here I thought were 'mid-size' sedans not SUVS.
#8534 of 20193 Re: 2009 Fusion Engine [captain2]
Jan 22, 2008 (12:26 pm)
Guess we'll just have to wait and see. If Ford came out with an I4 that got 40 mpg with 250 hp and was smooth as silk you'd still find something wrong with it.
#8535 of 20193 Re: 2009 Fusion Engine [captain2]
Jan 22, 2008 (12:51 pm)
the fact that both the supposed new I4 and certainly the 'new' DT3.5 are unremarkable and still, to a large degree, not competitive even though the mfgr. has had a few extra years to develop them.
Lets take a look and see if Ford is competitive with their 3.5L to Honda and their new 3.5L. The following engines are applied to the Ford Taurus and Honda Accord
Ford: 263hp 249tq
Honda: 268hp 248tq
Lets look at the definition of "competitive" or to "compete": To be able to do as well or better then others. To put up a reasonable contest.
From these numbers, can we say Ford can compete with Honda. By definition, yes.
Considering that Honda has an advanced VCM system and a high tech variable valve timing system, to only have a 1mpg advantage and 5 hp over Fords 3.5L is quite disappointing.
Lets look at the definition for "refined": Sophisticated and effective, developed to or possessing a high degree of precision and effectiveness.
Considering that these numbers are quite similar, how can you claim that Ford is not a "refined" engine or for that matter, competitive? Please explain?
#8536 of 20193 Re: 2009 Fusion Engine [aviboy97]
Jan 22, 2008 (1:28 pm)
It's no use arguing avi. The "H" blinders are on and they are not coming off. Just leave him be because he'll need the extra free time to figure out all those tiny buttons on the new Accord's center stack.
#8537 of 20193 Re: 2009 Fusion Engine [baggs32]
Jan 22, 2008 (1:38 pm)
To be a fan is one thing. To repeatedly be incorrect and ignorant, to me, would just be embarrassing. Not at fault for being ignorant, but, I just thought I would post some fact rather then sheer emotional opinion.
#8538 of 20193 Re: 2009 Fusion Engine [aviboy97]
Jan 22, 2008 (1:42 pm)
Ford: 263hp 249tq
Honda: 268hp 248tq
Can you tell me when the power comes online? If Fords 249 comes on line at a higher rpm, then I would have to say I would take the Accords lower torque rating as better because more is available at a lower rpm.
What are the acceleration numbers? Measuring raw output is almost meaningless.
#8539 of 20193 Re: 2009 Fusion Engine [aviboy97]
Jan 22, 2008 (1:56 pm)
Regarding the mazda sourced 2.3 liter... at least in the mazda6 and the mazda3, most magazines have praised this engine for being extremely competitive (ie: smooth, willingness to rev, etc) compared to other i-4's in this market including the H and Toyo's. So I'm not sure where the self-described "captain" is coming up with his long stated biases against anything ford, but his response was pretty predictable. While it will be nice that Mazda and Ford will likely get newer, more powerful engines with better gas mileage fairly soon, it is far from necessary at this point. Not only do these cars cost thousands less than the H or T variety, but have been getting some very good reviews regarding their reliability and quality of driving experience. Are they everything to everybody? No, but show me a car that is...
#8540 of 20193 Re: 2009 Fusion Engine [kdshapiro]
Jan 22, 2008 (2:02 pm)
What are the acceleration numbers? Measuring raw output is almost meaningless
No, it is not meaningless. We are not comparing the Ford Taurus to the Honda Accord. We are comparing the Honda 3.5 to the Ford 3.5. My response was to the claim that Ford cannot build a fuel efficient / powerful / competitive engine like Honda, or other manufacturers do.
Fords peak torque is 4,500 rpms, Honda is at 5,000