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10961 messages, Last post on Oct 11, 2008 at 9:39 PM
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 21, 2007 12:27 pm) No you can't. The Impala is not part of this discussion and according to EPA it is a fullsize car. I have no problem agreeing with you that with or without fleet sales Impala is the best selling fullsize car but that's not what we are discussing here aren't we? how many altima, Sonata and camry sales are fleets? Gm has cut its fleet sales and thats one reason Lacrosse, Grand prix and G6 sales have been down this year. I though you would never ask...  Here are the numbers for fleet sales for the first part of 2007, let's see how much GM cut back on its fleet sales this year: Chevy Malibu 58.8% Chevy Impala 53.9% Pontiac G6 36.2% Saturn Aura 23.7% Buick LaCrosse 29.2% Honda Accord 4.9% Nissan Altima 16.4% Toyota Camry 7.7% Source: Fleet Sales - first half 2007 Even the brand spanking new Aura had about 1/4 of total units going to fleets. GM is definitely cutting back on fleet sales... About police cars, I don't know why we are discussing this but the bottom line is the imports don't need that market to generate sales.
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 21, 2007 12:31 pm) Maybe the host can help us out with this...
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 21, 2007 12:18 pm) 9%-20% pales in comparison to 53.9% for the Impala. And if fleet sales is fine, why do manufacturers try to reduce it? BTW, that would include GM. |
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Replying to: louiswei (Dec 21, 2007 12:28 pm) A few things to note. The bad fleets sales are the rentals, not the police cars and corporate cars. The Asians ONLY deal in fleets while Gm's fleet sales includes rentals, government, companies, contractors, etc. IF you compare RENTAL %s only the numbers wont be too far off. GM is at 23% fleet I believe which is low by historical standards. And of course that includes all those cars they sell to the government. Mark my words, the Asians will continue to increase the fleet sales year after year. Hyundai is doing it big time to keep Sonatas moving out of the factory. Same with the Mazda6, Kia Optima and others. 10 years ago you couldnt find an Asian midsizer on a rental lot. |
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Replying to: robertsmx (Dec 21, 2007 12:41 pm) a) the figures you are quoting are not current- I've seen them quoted many times before. BTW, you should only compare Impala RENTAL sales to altima and camry rental sales. Unless there are Camry police cars I dont know about its not fair to lump all fleet sales together and say Camry and altima are far lower. Of course they are, their vehicles arent eligible for many of the uses that are applicable to Impala. b) Gm is trying to reduce rental sales NOT all fleet sales. The imports only have rentals as fleet sales. They dont sell to governments.
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Replying to: backy (Dec 21, 2007 11:49 am) Since I own one of those 03 Accords (51k miles), I would like to know what these "significant problems" are? Your definition of "significant", and my definition of "minor" must be very similar. I don't think 0$ spent on repairs is considered "significant". Highly exadurated, IMO.
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Replying to: louiswei (Dec 21, 2007 12:37 pm) I will say this, to the EPA its not midsize. To consumers it would be since its barely larger than midsizers in this class. I asked a while back if this means the Accord should be banned from this discussion. I did not see a response. GM sells more midsizers even without the Impala so if you only care about EPA classifications it can be removed even though consumers see it as a competitor to the midsizers in this class. Now that I think about it I believe the sonata is also a fullsize car. The % of fleet sales in 2007 are irrelevant if we dont have the previus year's stats. GM overall has reduced fleet sales. It may not be enough, but it is happening. |
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Replying to: elroy5 (Dec 21, 2007 12:49 pm)  But if you insist, I consider a recall of over 1 million cars due to a transmission problem that could cause transmission failure (and an accident) to be significant. When talking about reliability, we can't just talk about the experience of one person, with one car. |
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Replying to: louiswei (Dec 21, 2007 12:37 pm) Nissan Altima 16.4% Toyota Camry 7.7% " I checked out that table and I see why you didnt show Sonata, Optima, 6 or Galant up there. Honda is out of the discussion because we all know that Honda really doesnt do rentals. I saw something recently about the % increase or decrease in fleet sales in 2007 and the increases for Nissan and Toyota were very large while all of the Big 3 had declines. I think GM was down about 5% or so.
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Replying to: louiswei (Dec 21, 2007 12:40 pm) Maybe the host can help us out with this... " I believe the cutoff is 100 cu ft of interior space. The Impala has over 100 cu ft of room but not by a signifcant margin. The Taurus, 300, Avalon, etc, are far larger inside. As I said, the Sonata and Accord are "large" by EPA standards but most people would consider them midsize cars. I know I do.
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