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#8130 of 18437 Re: Linky [pat] by urnews

Dec 20, 2007 (9:59 am)

Replying to: pat (Dec 20, 2007 4:43 am)
Consumer Comparison Test: 2008 Family Sedans
 
Pat,
Thanks for posting that link. It was very informative, a good read. Interestingly, most of the novice reviewers deemed the Camry to be "mushy" when it came to the ride and handling departments. The Malibu did really well, equaling or surpassing Camry and Accord in most areas.
 
Maybe the results go to show that GM (and Ford and Chrysler by extension) is serious about building competitive cars, regaining market share. I still think the Ford Fusion is the best mid-size sedan on the market, but that's just me and yes I do own one so I am naturally biased.
 
However, if I were in the market today to buy a new mid-sizer I would definitely give the 'Bu a long hard look before deciding. Still, after one year of ownership and 6,000 miles, I give our 2007 SEL AWD V6 ($27,105 MSRP) extremely high marks in every category except in-city mileage.

#8131 of 18437 Re: Edmunds' Editors-for-a-Day speak out [backy] by louiswei

Dec 20, 2007 (10:11 am)

Replying to: backy (Dec 19, 2007 8:41 pm)
Why are they testing the mainstream family sedans on a race track?? Why not let the testers take the cars for a day in LA's rush hour traffic, another day on the Malibu twisty roads and open highway such the I-15 between LA and Las Vegas? I really think those will be more meaningful tests for a mainstream 4-banger family hauler. However, if you are testing cars like Corvette, 350Z, Boxster/Cayman then that's another story...

#8132 of 18437 Re: Edmunds' Editors-for-a-Day speak out [louiswei] by aviboy97

Dec 20, 2007 (10:24 am)

Replying to: louiswei (Dec 20, 2007 10:11 am)
Why are they testing the mainstream family sedans on a race track??
 
Because it tests the limit of the vehicles under extreme driving conditions. Also, a track is a controlled environment. Driving on the streets of LA is not.
 
Testing on tracks also help to determine how it will handle accident avoidance, without actually having to avoid one. Acceleration on a track can simulate merging on a highway, passing vehicles, etc.. without actually having to do so..once again, safety comes to mind because it is a controlled environment.
 
p.s.....testing on the streets of LA or Malibu don't really translate the same over here in the NY area. Quite different.

#8133 of 18437 Re: Edmunds' Editors-for-a-Day speak out [aviboy97] by kdshapiro

Dec 20, 2007 (11:09 am)

Replying to: aviboy97 (Dec 20, 2007 10:24 am)
"testing on the streets of LA or Malibu don't really translate the same over here in the NY area. Quite different."
 
Case in point, In NY, or more specifically NYC, a comfy, mushy ride is a good thing. Interesting how this gets turned into a negative.

#8134 of 18437 Re: Edmunds' Editors-for-a-Day speak out [kdshapiro] by louiswei

Dec 20, 2007 (11:20 am)

Replying to: kdshapiro (Dec 20, 2007 11:09 am)
Case in point, In NY, or more specifically NYC, a comfy, mushy ride is a good thing. Interesting how this gets turned into a negative.
 
Exactly me point, a day in the race track with these 4-banger family hauler can't generate the real-world driving experience. I doubt when driving home from school, the mom is thinking about how fast can I corner the next turn with junior in the back...

#8135 of 18437 Re: Edmunds' Editors-for-a-Day speak out [louiswei] by titancrew

Dec 20, 2007 (12:25 pm)

Replying to: louiswei (Dec 20, 2007 11:20 am)
You make a good point. That's why Camry is #1 selling car. A comfy ride is great in the real-world driving.

#8136 of 18437 Re: Edmunds' Editors-for-a-Day speak out [louiswei] by backy

Dec 20, 2007 (12:54 pm)

Replying to: louiswei (Dec 20, 2007 10:11 am)
Why are they testing the mainstream family sedans on a race track??
 
If you read the article, you'll see that they didn't just test the cars on a race track.

#8137 of 18437 Re: Edmunds' Editors-for-a-Day speak out [robertsmx] by backy

Dec 20, 2007 (1:02 pm)

Replying to: robertsmx (Dec 20, 2007 9:56 am)
To me, seeing that the only person who really liked the Camry and rated it above last place owns a Camry is different from someone who owns an older Chevy and ranks the Malibu at the top, where several other drivers ranked it. That one positive vote for the Camry is known as an "outlier". Also, if you re-read the article you'll note that the person who mentioned the Malibu's longer warranty states that he would have rated the car the same w/o the longer warranty.
 
Do you think that the drivers who rated the Malibu highly and the Camry down-low did so because they wanted to see the "top dog" lose? If that is the case, how does it explain that the Accord, which is considered the top mid-sized car by many people, including most professional reviewers, did so well in the comparo?
 
I have no problem with an automaker "selling" reliability. But I don't think reliability should be a factor in a head-to-head road test.

#8138 of 18437 Re: Edmunds' Editors-for-a-Day speak out [backy] by robertsmx

Dec 20, 2007 (1:55 pm)

Replying to: backy (Dec 20, 2007 1:02 pm)
Do you think only 2-3 of those folks are "biased"?

#8139 of 18437 Re: Edmunds' Editors-for-a-Day speak out [backy] by robertsmx

Dec 20, 2007 (1:51 pm)

Replying to: backy (Dec 20, 2007 1:02 pm)
Do you think only 2-3 of those folks are "biased"?

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