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#7889 of 18225 Re: Honda I-4 RPM's at 70/80 MPH [kdshapiro] by urnews

Dec 05, 2007 (12:37 pm)

Replying to: kdshapiro (Dec 05, 2007 4:41 am)
... if GM wants to compete in this space it has to out-Honda Honda. ...
 
KD,
What's true for GM is likewise true for Chrysler, Ford, Hyundai, Toyota, etc. All auto manufacturers have to out-Honda Honda in order to be truly competitive. My wife and I found that the 2007 SEL AWD Fusion ($27,105 MSRP) was more car for the money than a comparable Honda. Plus we liked the styling better.

#7890 of 18225 2009 Mazda6 update by aviboy97

Dec 05, 2007 (12:40 pm)

Well, it seems we are getting closer to an expected date for the 2009 Mazda6. Final allocations are due in February for MY2008, and that allocation will be produced in March / April. I suppose manufacturing transition will take place after that, and the new 2009's will start production. What does this mean? I am guessing, yes guessing, that the 2009's will start production in May / June / July and be on dealer lots by August / September. This is assuming that the NA Mazda6 will be built in the same plant it is currently built in, Flat Rock MI.

#7891 of 18225 Re: Honda I-4 RPM's at 70/80 MPH [andres3] by bug4

Dec 05, 2007 (1:54 pm)

Replying to: andres3 (Dec 04, 2007 9:54 pm)
andres3-- I sure understand your disappointment with the Aura. It isn't acceptable to have a part break before a test drive. However, I think a consumer who is particular and who really tests a car before purchasing might never find the best auto if they assume a car sucks because a storage bin door broke. I just bought an 08 Accord because, in my experience, it had the fewest number of things I didn't like. Really, ultra-picky people like us just have to pick the lesser or all the evils. No car is perfect.
 
Its like the reviewer who says that Hondas are unreliable because he just bought a new one and the nav unit went out on his way home from the dealership. Yea, that sucks. But, is there any manufacturer that can build 400,000 products, all with 10,000 moving parts, and never have one problem . . . . Its true, the Aura storage bin is apparently a problem for many units. But, perhaps the storage bin door shouldn't determine the car's fate?

#7892 of 18225 Re: Fleet sales [aviboy97] by jeffyscott

Dec 05, 2007 (3:11 pm)

Replying to: aviboy97 (Dec 05, 2007 9:22 am)
Also, depending on what incentive $$ that dealer gets from Mazda, selling those Mazda6's at that price just might be profitable, or at least break even.
 
Yes, I think that is the key. there are a couple dealers that will sometimes, toward the end of the month, have ads with great discounts. I've assumed that this is due to wanting to meet some sales goal for some sort of bonus from mazda.
 
That price was from April, the point of the post was that in my area great deals on the 6 have been available for most of the year. They may well also be out of 2007s now. Prices like that were advertised here as early as late Jan.

#7893 of 18225 Re: LifeTime Warranty [robertsmx] by tedebear

Dec 05, 2007 (3:51 pm)

Replying to: robertsmx (Dec 04, 2007 10:16 pm)
That last line makes me wonder... Is it fully transferable?
 
From the chrysler.com lifetime warranty FAQ section:
 
Q8: What about second owners of the vehicle?
A8: Subsequent owners or lessees, even if they are within the same family or business, are not covered. Successor business entities or persons to whom the vehicle is transferred by operation of law are also not covered. Chrysler offers extended service contracts for purchase for second owners of Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge vehicles.
 
Q9: Why did you choose to make this program non-transferable?
A9: Our internal research data confirmed that the transferability take rate (available on the 7-year/70,000-mile warranty program) was low. We are providing peace-of-mind to the original owner who made the investment in our Chrysler product. Our competitors, Hyundai/KIA/Mitsubishi that offer what was considered the benchmark in long-term powertrain warranty (10 years/100,000 miles), only extend it to the original owner. With the announcement of the Chrysler Lifetime Powertrain Warranty, Chrysler will be the new benchmark in long-term powertrain warranty.

#7894 of 18225 Re: Honda I-4 RPM's at 70/80 MPH [andres3] by tedebear

Dec 05, 2007 (4:03 pm)

Replying to: andres3 (Dec 04, 2007 10:38 pm)
Did you also see the part about having Chrysler inspect the vehicle within a 60 day window every 5 years or your warranty evaporates?
 
Certainly. There is an entire section in the warranty that explains the 60-day window FREE inspection that is required to maintain the lifetime warranty.
 
Did you see the part where I said the word FREE?
  
Did you see the part where you have to be the original owner?
 
Certainly, once again. The lifetime warranty applies only to the original owner, as clearly explained in the first section of the warranty details.
 
Did you see the part where I said clearly explained?
  
Did you see the part where it has to be determined to be a "defect in materials or workmanship?"
 
Absolutely. A component that fails, causing the engine, transmission or whatever to stop working is indeed defective. The parts and labor to repair or replace the problem are all 100% covered by the warranty - there is no deductible, unlike what you'll find with most extended warranties.
 
Did you see the part where I said no deductible?
 
Next question?

#7895 of 18225 Re: Honda I-4 RPM's at 70/80 MPH [bug4] by imidazol97

Dec 05, 2007 (4:14 pm)

Replying to: bug4 (Dec 05, 2007 1:54 pm)
Thanks for your realistic point of view in your post.

#7896 of 18225 Re: Honda I-4 RPM's at 70/80 MPH [tedebear] by elroy5

Dec 05, 2007 (4:29 pm)

Replying to: tedebear (Dec 05, 2007 4:03 pm)
Certainly, once again. The lifetime warranty applies only to the original owner, as clearly explained in the first section of the warranty details.
 
Since most people sell or trade a car before it is 5 years old, most of the time, the lifetime warranty will not be used. So if Chrysler could make the cars undesirable after 5 years of ownership (numerous other defects that crop up in 5 years time), that would be to their advantage. I don't like the idea of that.

#7897 of 18225 Re: Honda I-4 RPM's at 70/80 MPH [elroy5] by tedebear

Dec 05, 2007 (4:39 pm)

Replying to: elroy5 (Dec 05, 2007 4:29 pm)
Since most people sell or trade a car before it is 5 years old, most of the time, the lifetime warranty will not be used.
 
Well, the lifetime warranty isn't just for people like me who keep their cars for 10 years before getting a new one. It could also benefit anyone else when their basic 3 yr/36,000 mile warranty expires.

#7898 of 18225 Re: Honda I-4 RPM's at 70/80 MPH [elroy5] by lilengineerboy

Dec 05, 2007 (5:04 pm)

Replying to: elroy5 (Dec 05, 2007 4:29 pm)
Since most people sell or trade a car before it is 5 years old, most of the time, the lifetime warranty will not be used. So if Chrysler could make the cars undesirable after 5 years of ownership (numerous other defects that crop up in 5 years time), that would be to their advantage. I don't like the idea of that.
 
That is a valid point. My guess is when these cars start coming back off lease or what not and don't move, there will be a certified used program like BMW, VW or Honda that provides some type of warranty to subsequent purchasers. I wouldn't pay in the teens for a used anything with no warranty.
**okay maybe an E36 M3/4 w/a stick but it would have to be really really nice, or maybe a Boxter if the 60k had been done...I digress you get the idea.

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