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#7885 of 20200 Re: Fleet sales [aviboy97]
Dec 05, 2007 (5:51 am)
I am looking at my program sheets from the past 12 months. Mazda did not introduce a $2000 rebate until the July/August.
For most of the year here it was $1000 and then an additional $1000 if you took MAC financing. That was the deal when I bought in Jan. Maybe there are regional differences in rebates, other incentive, and even in the discounts that are needed to sell?
When my co-worker (actually his daughter) bought there was an additional $1000 auto show rebate, for a total of $3000 in rebates. That was only for a couple weeks and dealer here had an ad
Never saw such discounts up here, CT. My last 2007 Mazda6 was delivered last week, and sold for $200 below invoice plus the $2000 rebate.
Wow, that is interesting that there would be that much of a difference.
If it were not against the rules here, I could post a link to an ad from last April showing Mazda6 sport from $14,895 (the dealer does not seem to update their on-line copies of newspaper ads often), a free trek bike was also included. At that dealer one would have only needed to add a $99 document fee to that price and this would net a deal at $4500 below MSRP.
#7886 of 20200 Re: Honda I-4 RPM's at 70/80 MPH [andres3]
Dec 05, 2007 (6:58 am)
I'm not saying GM sales have increased whatsoever due to the increased warranty length.
That is actually exactly what you are saying, or at least implying. Here is what you said:
Actually, your wrong, it is absolutely 100% true that a vast majority of GM buyers would be hesitant to purchase a GM product if not for the long warranty.
So, if the vast majority (that is, well over 50%) of GM buyers would be hesitant to purchase a GM product if not for the long warranty, then they would not have purchased a GM product before the long warranty was in effect, correct? All those buyers must have purchased a GM product after the long warranty took effect, and since they wouldn't have bought a GM product prior to that, that represents a huge sales increase for GM.
Which is not true of course. Which is why I don't think your original statement has any validity.
#7887 of 20200 Re: Fleet sales [jeffyscott]
Dec 05, 2007 (8:22 am)
At that dealer one would have only needed to add a $99 document fee to that price and this would net a deal at $4500 below MSRP.
That is a great deal. I am thinking that dealers need to get these vehicle off their lot to avoid paying $$ in floor plan. Also, depending on what incentive $$ that dealer gets from Mazda, selling those Mazda6's at that price just might be profitable, or at least break even. I have no idea what their pay plan might be. I know mine is not that good.
I am sold out of 2007 Mazda6's.
#7888 of 20200 Re: Honda I-4 RPM's at 70/80 MPH [backy]
Dec 05, 2007 (9:49 am)
The new GM warranty is longer, but not in terms of time. It is useful only if one drives 20K miles a year and is wary of something breaking down three years down the road.
And it isn't just warranty hype that people buy. It is also rebates, incentives, and purchase price. Some folks would not buy anything but GM vehicle, no matter what. And this applies to other brands too, although I think "import" brands actually may have a little less of it since a Toyota buyer may find it easier to move to Honda, Nissan or Hyundai and any combination of these. They may, however, avoid a GM or Chrysler or Ford product.
Ask yourself, if you had to buy another car today, what brand would be on top? Of course, we don't buy cars based on one aspect, but what would be the primary driving force? Would it be warranty? Would it be quality? Would it be price? Or, would it be something else?
#7889 of 20200 Re: Honda I-4 RPM's at 70/80 MPH [kdshapiro]
Dec 05, 2007 (11:37 am)
... if GM wants to compete in this space it has to out-Honda Honda. ...
What's true for GM is likewise true for Chrysler, Ford, Hyundai, Toyota, etc. All auto manufacturers have to out-Honda Honda in order to be truly competitive. My wife and I found that the 2007 SEL AWD Fusion ($27,105 MSRP) was more car for the money than a comparable Honda. Plus we liked the styling better.
#7890 of 20200 2009 Mazda6 update
Dec 05, 2007 (11:40 am)
Well, it seems we are getting closer to an expected date for the 2009 Mazda6. Final allocations are due in February for MY2008, and that allocation will be produced in March / April. I suppose manufacturing transition will take place after that, and the new 2009's will start production. What does this mean? I am guessing, yes guessing, that the 2009's will start production in May / June / July and be on dealer lots by August / September. This is assuming that the NA Mazda6 will be built in the same plant it is currently built in, Flat Rock MI.
#7891 of 20200 Re: Honda I-4 RPM's at 70/80 MPH [andres3]
Dec 05, 2007 (12:54 pm)
andres3-- I sure understand your disappointment with the Aura. It isn't acceptable to have a part break before a test drive. However, I think a consumer who is particular and who really tests a car before purchasing might never find the best auto if they assume a car sucks because a storage bin door broke. I just bought an 08 Accord because, in my experience, it had the fewest number of things I didn't like. Really, ultra-picky people like us just have to pick the lesser or all the evils. No car is perfect.
Its like the reviewer who says that Hondas are unreliable because he just bought a new one and the nav unit went out on his way home from the dealership. Yea, that sucks. But, is there any manufacturer that can build 400,000 products, all with 10,000 moving parts, and never have one problem . . . . Its true, the Aura storage bin is apparently a problem for many units. But, perhaps the storage bin door shouldn't determine the car's fate?
#7892 of 20200 Re: Fleet sales [aviboy97]
Dec 05, 2007 (2:11 pm)
Also, depending on what incentive $$ that dealer gets from Mazda, selling those Mazda6's at that price just might be profitable, or at least break even.
Yes, I think that is the key. there are a couple dealers that will sometimes, toward the end of the month, have ads with great discounts. I've assumed that this is due to wanting to meet some sales goal for some sort of bonus from mazda.
That price was from April, the point of the post was that in my area great deals on the 6 have been available for most of the year. They may well also be out of 2007s now. Prices like that were advertised here as early as late Jan.
#7893 of 20200 Re: LifeTime Warranty [robertsmx]
Dec 05, 2007 (2:51 pm)
That last line makes me wonder... Is it fully transferable?
From the chrysler.com lifetime warranty FAQ section:
Q8: What about second owners of the vehicle?
A8: Subsequent owners or lessees, even if they are within the same family or business, are not covered. Successor business entities or persons to whom the vehicle is transferred by operation of law are also not covered. Chrysler offers extended service contracts for purchase for second owners of Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge vehicles.
Q9: Why did you choose to make this program non-transferable?
A9: Our internal research data confirmed that the transferability take rate (available on the 7-year/70,000-mile warranty program) was low. We are providing peace-of-mind to the original owner who made the investment in our Chrysler product. Our competitors, Hyundai/KIA/Mitsubishi that offer what was considered the benchmark in long-term powertrain warranty (10 years/100,000 miles), only extend it to the original owner. With the announcement of the Chrysler Lifetime Powertrain Warranty, Chrysler will be the new benchmark in long-term powertrain warranty.
#7894 of 20200 Re: Honda I-4 RPM's at 70/80 MPH [andres3]
Dec 05, 2007 (3:03 pm)
Did you also see the part about having Chrysler inspect the vehicle within a 60 day window every 5 years or your warranty evaporates?
Certainly. There is an entire section in the warranty that explains the 60-day window FREE inspection that is required to maintain the lifetime warranty.
Did you see the part where I said the word FREE?
Did you see the part where you have to be the original owner?
Certainly, once again. The lifetime warranty applies only to the original owner, as clearly explained in the first section of the warranty details.
Did you see the part where I said clearly explained?
Did you see the part where it has to be determined to be a "defect in materials or workmanship?"
Absolutely. A component that fails, causing the engine, transmission or whatever to stop working is indeed defective. The parts and labor to repair or replace the problem are all 100% covered by the warranty - there is no deductible, unlike what you'll find with most extended warranties.
Did you see the part where I said no deductible?