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Re: Giddy Smirky Pride [drwilsc] by venus537
Nov 18, 2007 (5:43 pm)
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Replying to: drwilsc (Nov 18, 2007 4:22 pm)

In fact, the National Insurance Crime Bureau cited the 1991 Honda Accord as the most frequently stolen car in the U.S. in 2005. No Saturns were on the top 10 list.
 
That's more of a reflection of Saturn's dismal sales numbers.
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Re: Giddy Smirky Pride [venus537] by drwilsc
Nov 18, 2007 (6:22 pm)
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Replying to: venus537 (Nov 18, 2007 5:43 pm)

The Accord's arch-rival, the Camry, has outsold it over the past several years. Does that fact alone make the Camry a better car? If so, then why didn't you buy a Camry? If not, then I'm not sure where this argument fits in the conversation. 'The masses' aren't always right, like when the masses of Germany followed Hitler. I'm not going to pick a car just because it has good sales figures.
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Re: Giddy Smirky Pride [drwilsc] by jeffyscott
Nov 18, 2007 (6:39 pm)
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Replying to: drwilsc (Nov 18, 2007 4:22 pm)

I'm not sure why it matters, but actually the 1993 Saturn SL comes in at #9 on the list.
 
Interesting that all the most stolen cars are old, except for the 2004 Dodge Ram. The two Toyotas on the list are from the 1980s .
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Re: Giddy Smirky Pride [jeffyscott] by drwilsc
Nov 18, 2007 (7:05 pm)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Nov 18, 2007 6:39 pm)

I stand corrected... Guess maybe Saturn sales aren't so dismal.
 
The point, though, is that I'm not really sure whether having a remote starter or adding one is really going to make it more likely that your car will be stolen. Professional thieves obviously go after popular makes of older cars so they can sell parts. If a professional thief really wants your car, he is going to get it regardless. If your car has OnStar, though, the car's location can be tracked via satellite. I'm under the impression (by OnStar's advertising) that it is not that easy to disable this tracking feature.
 
The immobilizer system is not going to prevent your car from being loaded onto the flatbed of a truck and hauled away. From there, they don't even need to drive the car to get what they really want - the parts.
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Re: Giddy Smirky Pride [drwilsc] by phaetondriver
Nov 18, 2007 (8:34 pm)
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Replying to: drwilsc (Nov 18, 2007 7:05 pm)

Interesting where this thread has gone from a simple statement of giddy happiness.
The interesting part is all the discussions around security. Guess it might not be wise to add a remote start to a Honda.
I believe the Saturn maintains full security even after the engine is started. If I left the window down and set the alarm then started the car remotely, opening the door by reaching inside and lifting the lock button and pulling the handle, I believe the alarm will sound.
Haven't tested this yet but I will.
If not, someone would still have to pop the keyswitch and jump the correct wires to get the systems to activate the trans-lock, and dash electronics.
Don't think I will worry about it since after I start the engine I am in the car within a minute or less. Oh! If the right wires are not connected in the ignition switch, the 10 minute timer will shut the engine off, So I suspect if it was stolen, the thief would only get a few blocks to a mile away when the engine dies.
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Re: Giddy Smirky Pride [robertsmx] by akirby
Nov 18, 2007 (10:13 pm)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Nov 18, 2007 2:58 pm)

I could be wrong but I doubt the key has to be in the slot - it's typically just a close proximity RFID reader that can be satisfied by taping a key anywhere close to the ignition switch. Of course without remote start or keyless go you can't do anything without turning the key so it wouldn't be of any use.
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Re: Giddy Smirky Pride [akirby] by tedebear
Nov 18, 2007 (10:25 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Nov 18, 2007 10:13 pm)

So...how far away does everyone's remote work? I have a factory remote start in my Sebring and I've tried it from 660 ft away inside the building where I work to the far end of the parking lot and it starts right up. This will come in very handy on frosty winter days when there is ice buildup on the windshield.
 
Also, as far as the security goes, mine automatically locks the doors if I use the remote to start it. When I then unlock the door and get in I have around 30 seconds to insert the key and turn it to ON or the engine shuts off.
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Re: Giddy Smirky Pride [drwilsc] by venus537
Nov 18, 2007 (11:20 pm)
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Replying to: drwilsc (Nov 18, 2007 6:22 pm)

The Accord's arch-rival, the Camry, has outsold it over the past several years. Does that fact alone make the Camry a better car? If so, then why didn't you buy a Camry? If not, then I'm not sure where this argument fits in the conversation.
 
The point was that the Accord has been a consistent big seller and therefore is likely to make the top ten list of stolen cars. Saturns by contrast have been a big sales disappoint over the years and are not likely going to be on such lists. That's how the argument fits into the conversation. How you construe what I said meant that high volume vehicles are therefore better cars is beyond me. And why you would bring Hitler into the discussion from such a tongue and cheek remark is way beyond me.
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Re: Giddy Smirky Pride [drwilsc] by venus537
Nov 18, 2007 (11:32 pm)
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Replying to: drwilsc (Nov 18, 2007 7:05 pm)

If your car has OnStar, though, the car's location can be tracked via satellite. I'm under the impression (by OnStar's advertising) that it is not that easy to disable this tracking feature.
 
I believe this is also the case with vehicles equipped with Navigation systems. Rental car companies also install GPS systems in their vehicles so if you cross a state line they can charge you an arm and a leg.
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Re: Giddy Smirky Pride [venus537] by akirby
Nov 19, 2007 (6:02 am)
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Replying to: venus537 (Nov 18, 2007 11:32 pm)

While it's true the navigation system knows where you are, unless the vehicle has the ability to transmit it's location then it can't be tracked. A nav system alone won't give you this feature.

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