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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan

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#6982 of 18209 Re: FWD family sedans - FWD FAMILY SEDANS! [autokritiker] by urnews

Nov 05, 2007 (2:15 pm)

Replying to: autokritiker (Nov 05, 2007 1:37 pm)
Fact is: family sedans are appliances. For those who are unbiased and willing to test drive all of them, you will find very little difference between Brand X and Brand Y.
 
Your comments, Autokritiker, are sure to rankle some posters on this thread but I for one happen to agree with you. My wife and I enjoy our 2007 SEL AWD Ford Fusion immensely but it is, after all, a four-door sedan, albeit it a very nice one.
 
The four-door sedan has come a long way in the last half century but mostly all manufacturers these days offer competitive products: There is not a great deal of difference between Brand X and Brand Y, in my book.

#6983 of 18209 Re: The New Malibu [robertsmx] by backy

Nov 05, 2007 (2:15 pm)

Replying to: robertsmx (Nov 05, 2007 2:04 pm)
I agree there are is more to value than original price tag. But I don't know why you seem to be so upset at my attempts to compare prices of like-trim Malibus and Accords, in reply to your statement, "It is priced in the same price range as the Accord."
 
First, I compared the price of the base trim Malibu with AT to the base trim Accord with AT. You objected because the base Malibu doesn't have stability control and the base Accord does. So to accomodate your complaint, I compared the up-level Malibu LT, which has stability control, to the up-level Accord EX. And I added a moonroof to the Malibu since that is something the Accord EX has. I guess you didn't like that either. Is it that you don't like the fact that the new Malibu is significantly less expensive than the Accord? If you want to think of a difference of $1800-$2800 as "close to", that's fine with me. We'll just have to disagree on that. As we do on the value of larger rims/tires. Or the value of a 60/40 split rear seat, which is standard on the Malibu but not available on the Accord. Or the value of OnStar, which is standard on the Malibu but not available on the Accord.
 
You define value the way you want, but others may disagree.

#6984 of 18209 Re: The New Malibu [backy] by robertsmx

Nov 05, 2007 (2:36 pm)

Replying to: backy (Nov 05, 2007 2:15 pm)
You define value the way you want, but others may disagree.
 
You stole my words from a previous post.
 
I don't know why you seem to be so upset at my attempts to compare prices of like-trim Malibus and Accords, in reply to your statement, "It is priced in the same price range as the Accord."
 
I don't know about you, but when someone responds to my post, as long as it doesn't include "you" in it (addressed to me), I see no reason for anything personal but a discussion around the topic on hand. A response isn't an indicator of being upset with someone.
 
If you want to think of a difference of $1800-$2800 as "close to", that's fine with me.
 
Ok...
 
When I got my Accord, I was able to negotiate the price to about $1800 below MSRP, basically getting a $23K Accord for a little over $21K while having a $25K budget. Would that be possible if $1800 weren't "close"? If automakers are capable of giving up to $4K-5K off MSRP, you're questioning "closeness" of about half that amount here!

#6985 of 18209 How things have changed by imidazol97

Nov 05, 2007 (2:49 pm)

> $1800 below MSRP, basically getting a $23K Accord for a little over $21K
$4K-5K off MSRP,
 
Wow. We've come a long way from the 03 Accord era when some people 'informed' me that Honda never had to have discounts, incentives, rebates, etc.

#6987 of 18209 Re: The New Malibu [robertsmx] by backy

Nov 05, 2007 (3:01 pm)

Replying to: robertsmx (Nov 05, 2007 2:36 pm)
I'm not sure what your experience at getting a discount off MSRP on an Accord (not a 2008, right?) has to do with what we were discussing. Do you think that Chevy doesn't discount the Malibu? IMO, I think big discounts on both the 2008 Accord and Malibu will be hard to come by for awhile. But they'll come. The market is too competitive for anyone to sell a mid-sized family sedan at MSRP in any volume, for any length of time.

#6988 of 18209 Re: The New Malibu [backy] by robertsmx

Nov 05, 2007 (3:06 pm)

Replying to: backy (Nov 05, 2007 3:01 pm)
The idea is to provide a perspective on how big (or small) the price difference is. Prices haven't changed much over last ten years, so the argument about old versus new is mute.

#6989 of 18209 Re: How things have changed [imidazol97] by thegraduate

Nov 05, 2007 (3:23 pm)

Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 05, 2007 2:49 pm)
A changing market calls for changing business practices, no?
 
With Toyota flooding the market with incentive-laden Camrys (Camries?), Honda had to do something to keep its share of the market from its closest competitor, what is quickly beomcing the McDonald's of the car industry, Toyota.

#6990 of 18209 Re: The New Malibu [robertsmx] by backy

Nov 05, 2007 (4:38 pm)

Replying to: robertsmx (Nov 05, 2007 3:06 pm)
Did you mean "moot"?
 
Since people will be buying 2008 models as new cars now, I think it's appropriate to focus on those when comparing prices of the mid-sized sedans, not models from 10 years ago.
 
I think we've established the MSRP price difference between the Accord and Malibu is roughly $2000-3000, at least for the I4 models. I haven't looked at the V6 pricing yet; I'll leave that to you or someone else to do the comparison. Personally, I think the Malibu is priced right where it needs to be--still near the lower end of the market, but more than the old Malibu--now called the "Malibu Classic". Want a burger and fries with that?

#6991 of 18209 Re: The New Malibu [backy] by imidazol97

Nov 05, 2007 (4:42 pm)

Replying to: backy (Nov 05, 2007 3:01 pm)
I was through the local Honda dealer's lot Sunday browsing the used cars. There were hoards of Accords; very few used cars.

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