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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Appliances [lightfootfl] by lilengineerboy
Oct 28, 2007 (5:47 pm)
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Replying to: lightfootfl (Oct 28, 2007 10:33 am)

Sorry, but I don't understand why people are so afraid of a "quiet engine". It obviously isn't necessary to have a noisy one. I know that any engine, when pushed, will make more "noise" than one at a nominal speed. I find no problem with that, however many seem to object to those that prefer the lessor sound. I enjoy being able to converse with my fellow travelers, or to enjoy the sound of the music without having to scream, or turn the volume up extra loud. This is one of those areas where each of us has to decide for ourselves.
 
I concur, I agree there are definitely different strokes for different folks. I have never been in an enclosed vehicle where I felt I had to raise my voice to converse with passengers or add an amplifier to the stereo to keep up, but at the same time, I do appreciate the sound of an engine, and its mechanical song.
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Re: What so special about these "top rated" cars? [pmerk28] by venus537
Oct 28, 2007 (5:55 pm)
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Replying to: pmerk28 (Oct 28, 2007 2:49 pm)

Yes, and both have gotten worse with the current generation of the CR-V/Accord/Passat/Jetta.
 
Can't speak to the CR-V as I avoid SUVs like they're the plague. Of course they're useful when I need to haul something. Then it's time to talk to my brother.
 
As far as the new Accord. I haven't had a chance to examine the Accord's interior throughly but my initial impressions are that it hasn't gotten worse.
 
Passat. I agree with you there and I think VW is paying dearly for that as their customers have the same opinion as us. But it's still best in class though.
 
Jetta. I was disappointed that it didn't improve over the last one but I don't think the car got worse either except for the trunk lining. When you get wood trim you still get real wood. When you get leather you still get high quality leather.
 
I have to wonder if you have a negative reaction to design changes. That you have a comfort level for what you're used to. Case in point, harder plastic doesn't necessary mean it's of lower quality. It's more the texture and flimsiness of the plastic that determines its quality.
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Re: What so special about these "top rated" cars? [venus537] by pmerk28
Oct 28, 2007 (6:03 pm)
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Replying to: venus537 (Oct 28, 2007 5:55 pm)

Jetta. I was disappointed that it didn't improve over the last one but I don't think the car got worse either except for the trunk lining. When you get wood trim you still get real wood. When you get leather you still get high quality leather
 
Yes, you are correct I instinctively paired it with the Passat.
 

I have to wonder if you have a negative reaction to design changes. That you have a comfort level for what you're used to. Case in point, harder plastic doesn't necessary mean it's of lower quality. It's more the texture and flimsiness of the plastic that determines its quality

 
Re-read my post 6803 on the Toyota Camry.
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Re: What so special about these "top rated" cars? [pmerk28] by venus537
Oct 28, 2007 (6:20 pm)
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Replying to: pmerk28 (Oct 28, 2007 6:03 pm)

I did. Never mind that physco babble stuff I was muttering earlier. Sorry.
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Re: What so special about these "top rated" cars? [venus537] by imidazol97
Oct 28, 2007 (6:24 pm)
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Replying to: venus537 (Oct 28, 2007 5:23 pm)

> sure they're reliable but very mediocre in quality otherwise.
 
I have to disagree with you about that, They are good in quality in all ways. I see more elderly who've swallowed the Camry/Accord kool aide I would think their ratings would be going up if your comment that elderly are easier on them were even close to true. In fact, they're pickier about what they'll tolerate in a car despite that they like some other aspect of the car. They take it in to be fixed.
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Re: What so special about these "top rated" cars? [bhmr59] by pengwin
Oct 28, 2007 (6:30 pm)
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Replying to: bhmr59 (Oct 28, 2007 4:13 pm)

rented the sonata twice, the current model, what is it now? 2nd generation? When the sonata came out it looked exactly like the accord, thats the one i rented. I'm sorry, i dont keep up on Hyundai's. I didnt like the sonata both times. It wasn't bad but I cant justify 18k on a V6 sonata. The interior is just ugly. The radio/stero area looks like hyundai made the whole dash in mass production, put it in the car then had someone test drive. The test driver came out of the car after a lap and said, "...where's the flippin' radio?". They went back into the car with a hack saw and cut half a circle, shoved a radio in it and called it a day.
 
If i buy a hyundai, hands down it'll be an azera. But i have the same opinion about the azera as the sonata. if hyundai can get the azera's interior upto the grade of the Veracruz i'd be more than happy to buy it. I have not driven the Azera yet, i'll have to book a car on Hertz next time i go out of town, when i drove by last time i saw a few azera's on their lots.
 
As far as plastics go. A great example of crappy plastics is the aura. Tap the dash, any where on the dash. The noise you'll receive is hollow. It sounds as if there's nothing behind it, if you tap the new camry, as much as i dislike it, won't have that hollow-ness. I think you can use the cheapest materials in the world but if its soft to the touch and not uncomfortable it's fine by me. Take mazda 6's rubber dash, its cheap but it doesnt feel cheap.
 
As far as the Passat goes. If i do decide to buy one anyone have any suggestions as to how I can pick the "tank" Passat rather than the lemon. Should i be looking for loose cables or...you guys are the experts, at least some of you , what's your 2 pennies on that?
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Re: What so special about these "top rated" cars? [venus537] by pmerk28
Oct 28, 2007 (6:35 pm)
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Replying to: venus537 (Oct 28, 2007 6:20 pm)

I did. Never mind that physco babble stuff I was muttering earlier. Sorry
 
Lol. No problem. I did examine myself mentally and came out ok, I think anyway.
 
Seriously, what caused me to agree with you on the Jetta was that an acquaintance of mine got some really low lease deal on a Wolfsburg edition Jetta. I remember being struck by how nice the interior was -both the design AND the quality of material/fit/finish.
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Re: What so special about these "top rated" cars? [pengwin] by tenpin288
Oct 28, 2007 (6:40 pm)
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Replying to: pengwin (Oct 28, 2007 6:30 pm)

Here's a link to some spy pics of what is supposedly the new dash for the 2009 Sonata.
 
2009 Sonata Interior Spy Pics?
 
If correct this is a major upgrade for the interior. It should be interesting to check it out when it comes out, likely in the mid-to late spring.
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Re: What so special about these "top rated" cars? [imidazol97] by venus537
Oct 28, 2007 (6:45 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Oct 28, 2007 6:24 pm)

Well it's true that Camry and Accord drivers are getting older and apparently bigger and heavier, but they're no where near as old as Buick drivers. Now that's a fact. However, it's not a fact that the elderly are pickier about their cars.
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Re: What so special about these "top rated" cars? [tenpin288] by thegraduate
Oct 28, 2007 (6:50 pm)
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Replying to: tenpin288 (Oct 28, 2007 6:40 pm)

Looks like the interior it should have had all along. The current version, to me, is the least desirable interior design I may have ever seen. The newer Hyundai interiors (Elantra, Santa Fe, Vera Cruz) are MUCH better to me.

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