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#6773 of 13221 Re: 2009 Is The Year To Wait For [jaxs1] by joe97 Oct 26, 2007 (12:42 pm)
Replying to: jaxs1 (Oct 26, 2007 8:01 am) Regardless, it still has had only two model years, 2007MY which came out around April of 2006, and 2008MY.   Toyota is stopping production of the 2008 in Q1 next year, which is very weird, since the 08 has only been out for a very short months. Still, I think the 2009 will have minor cosmetic changes, if anything. We shall see. Replies to this message: jaxs1 (Oct 26, 2007 4:32 pm)
#6774 of 13221 Re: 2009 Is The Year To Wait For [maxamillion1] by backy Oct 26, 2007 (1:59 pm)
Replying to: maxamillion1 (Oct 26, 2007 7:42 am) Not yet have we seen a comparison of the new Accord verse more than the Camry.   I have a hunch (not a prediction, just a hunch), that the car mags are waiting for the new Malibu to do their next midsized sedan comparo. It will make for a much more interesting story line to pit the all-new Accord against the new Malibu. Although maybe the Camry won't make some comparos, like C/D's, because it finished so low in its last comparo (behind the old Accord, the new Altima, and the Optima). So C/D might do the Accord vs. Malibu, and maybe the Altima and Optima. MT will probably include the Camry since it was their COTY last year. And as we know, Edmunds.com is planning a big face-off of the Accord, Camry, and Malibu in late November, using drivers they pick from contest entries. CR will undoubtedly do a test including the Accord and Malibu as soon as they can. So hold on, the comparos will be coming soon.
#6775 of 13221 Re: 2009 Is The Year To Wait For [joe97] by jaxs1 Oct 26, 2007 (4:32 pm)
Replying to: joe97 (Oct 26, 2007 12:42 pm) So, they may call it a 2010 model early in 2009.
#6776 of 13221 Who's your Daddy? by iluvmysephia1 Oct 26, 2007 (6:44 pm)
I don't know about you guys, but, after having bought a 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS and having a joyful time with it, I have wondered about a new Galant re-design from Mitsubishi coming along. And what does robertsmx provide a few short minutes later as I was reading up on all of the posts in this thread the past 5 days I've been busy at work?   He posts a link to these pictures from Mitsu! Concepts, yes, but I can see the Lancer's nose in this new Galant. This is the new design direction from Mitsubishi and it has grabbed me by the shorthairs to take notice, uh-huh.
#6777 of 13221 Re: Appliances [robertsmx] by zzzoom6 Oct 26, 2007 (7:07 pm)
Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 26, 2007 11:00 am) Again, those very same points were made ten years ago too. If you look closely, now and in the past (pick any period), Accord has never been at the top in anything except ownership cost, engine quality, ergonomics and may be dependability.   Actually, the Accord had quite a bit of value compared to it's peers at one point. It really had a quality advantage that many other cars did not have maybe 10-15 years ago. But now that Consumer Reports and Jd Powers have shown that the difference in problems over 5 years for most of the cars in this class is around 1 additional problem from the most reliable to the least, that advantage is gone. And at the same time, initial purchase price being thousands more than many competitors with quality just as good to the Accord and in some cases better, Honda no longer has the advantage it once had. Yes, it is still a very good car and one that I would consider if I were in the market.... but I'd have to agree with those who have pointed out that the Accord seems to have softened in the current generation and that is a change I don't welcome.   Accord's handling hidden are those of a car that doesn't scream handling on first glance. It is there, if you know and want to use it. I don't have much experience with 2003-2007 Accord, however (and none with 2008) but enough to know it still maintains those attributes.   While I think the 03-07 Accord had decent handling compared to the previous gen Altima and Sonata, compared to the Legacy and Mazda6 it is not nearly as connected without increasing ride quality by a similar amount. Steering feel of the v-6 coupe I test drove was nowhere near as direct or confidence inspiring as the Subaru or Mazda. And why you're talking about your 98 Honda's handling in this forum (which is about new cars last I checked) doesn't make sense to me. Should I talk about my 81 Accord and make a point about how underpowered and unsafe it was? Replies to this message: chrono (Oct 26, 2007 8:22 pm) robertsmx (Oct 27, 2007 11:08 am) maxamillion1 (Oct 27, 2007 2:46 pm)
#6778 of 13221 Re: Appliances [zzzoom6] by chrono Oct 26, 2007 (8:22 pm)
Replying to: zzzoom6 (Oct 26, 2007 7:07 pm) Completely agree with zzzoom6. Competition is has caught up and now there are many winners to choose from.   Obviously your opinion of the Aura is that, just an opinion. Steering is very direct with a nice weighted feel, not light and over boosted like my old Accord. Handling is very good while being compliant over bumps. It won Car of the Year and beat out the Camry SE in the Autoweek comparo for many reasons. Seems like the Aura has proven itself to a great deal of auto enthusiasts to me.   And seriously, this discussion is about current midsize cars. The reviews related to this discussion point to the current model year of each midsize car. If your stuck in a time warp that's fine but can we stick to the topic? It's like having someone compare an old E36 BMW to all the new luxury sports sedans in the market and saying how much better it is. Who does that? Replies to this message: robertsmx (Oct 27, 2007 11:08 am) maxamillion1 (Oct 27, 2007 2:46 pm)
#6779 of 13221 mid size cars by oldcoastie Oct 26, 2007 (9:00 pm)
i bought a '07 mazda 6 4 cyl, man trans. Before I bought I drove the civic, altima, and camry, figuring they were all contenders. Now I'm somewhat prejudiced since I had a '97 mazda 626 with 150,000 mi and no maintenance other than routine. The 6 is pretty nimble and with the man trans pretty quick(or seems that way). For the price I think it has the most bang for your buck. Replies to this message: backy (Oct 27, 2007 8:40 am)
#6780 of 13221 Re: mid size cars [oldcoastie] by backy Oct 27, 2007 (8:40 am)
Replying to: oldcoastie (Oct 26, 2007 9:00 pm) I'm curious, why did you look at the Civic vs. the Accord, when all the other cars you looked at were mid-sized? Plus there are/were real good deals available on the '07 Accords now.
#6781 of 13221 Re: Appliances [chrono] by venus537 Oct 27, 2007 (10:21 am)
Replying to: chrono (Oct 26, 2007 9:44 am) The Accord is not so far ahead of the pack anymore. Actually looks like it's trying to keep up.   You're basing that on that one article. What about all the other road tests that say the Accord is still the target to shoot for? The Aura couldn't even best the last Accord in C/D's last comparison test. I don't see Mr. Phelan being any more influential than the enthusiasts at C/D.   Sales of the Aura are disappointing. Just because you went from an Accord to an Aura doesn't prove anything.   I happen to test drive an Aura when I had my Audi in for service. I don't understand what all the hoopla is with this car; not only was it a big disappointment compared to my Audi, it was even one compared to my last Accord.   Hey, you like the Aura and that's great. Replies to this message: chrono (Oct 28, 2007 11:51 am) venus537 (Oct 28, 2007 5:07 pm)
#6782 of 13221 Re: Appliances [chrono] by robertsmx Oct 27, 2007 (11:08 am)
Replying to: chrono (Oct 26, 2007 8:22 pm) Obviously your opinion of the Aura is that, just an opinion. Steering is very direct with a nice weighted feel, not light and over boosted like my old Accord.   Really? IMO, Aura's steering is one of its shortcomings. And which generation of Accord are you talking about that has, apparently, overboosted steering? Based on my experience, Aura is Pontiac G6 with additional frills/aesthetic fixes, much like Milan is to Fusion. The only thing I like about in Aura is its auto transmission, and it could use better (real world) fuel economy. Replies to this message: maxamillion1 (Oct 27, 2007 2:46 pm)

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