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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Appliances [robertsmx] by chrono
Oct 26, 2007 (9:28 am)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 26, 2007 9:06 am)

The more reviews I read about the 2008 Accord points to it being more of an appliance. Seems to have lost it's edge by getting bigger, heavier and softer. Looks like interior fit and finish isn't as good as before and road noise is still very noticeable.
 
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071025/COL14/710250367
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Re: Appliances [thegraduate] by lilengineerboy
Oct 26, 2007 (9:34 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 26, 2007 8:57 am)

at redline the exhaust note snarls, a lively contrast to the other cars, which have nothing to offer but a rising crescendo of whirs, hums, and buzzes.
 
They must have a different one than me. You can't hear the engine in my car at all except when you turn it on. Its not slow or underpowered, I just don't understand why they are so afraid of people knowing there is an engine in the front of the vehicle and when you push the gas, the engine speeds up.
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Re: Appliances [chrono] by robertsmx
Oct 26, 2007 (9:35 am)
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Replying to: chrono (Oct 26, 2007 9:28 am)

Stop reading reviews, and start driving. I haven't driven the new Accord, but the points you made were the points made ten years ago as well. What happened? The larger, softer and heavier Accord is still an impressive car, for its ride quality and handling. Need proof?
 
Perhaps those freep/detroit news guys could take a few lessons on driving from C&D.
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Re: Appliances [lilengineerboy] by robertsmx
Oct 26, 2007 (9:36 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Oct 26, 2007 9:34 am)

I'm lost. What are you talking about? One of the best part about Hondas is that you can hear the engine well under throttle. Even better, that the sound is actually pleasing w/I-4 and w/V6.
 
For a big NO, try Altima 2.5 w/CVT next.
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Re: Appliances [robertsmx] by chrono
Oct 26, 2007 (9:44 am)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 26, 2007 9:35 am)

The point the article was making was the new Accord took a step back while the competition has caught up or even surpassed it in several categories. The Accord is not so far ahead of the pack anymore. Actually looks like it's trying to keep up.
 
Traded in my 2005 Accord for a 07 Aura XR. Ride quality and handling to me is much more engaging. Proof that cars like the Fusion, Mazda6 and Aura have won over enthusiasts from Honda.
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Re: Appliances [robertsmx] by lilengineerboy
Oct 26, 2007 (10:22 am)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 26, 2007 9:36 am)

I'm lost. What are you talking about? One of the best part about Hondas is that you can hear the engine well under throttle. Even better, that the sound is actually pleasing w/I-4 and w/V6.
 
I think that is definitely true of my '93. I liked the sound of that 2.2l 4 cylinder, especially going through the rev band in 3rd gear. It had a very connected feel. The '07 I don't hear anything, I don't even feel much; the car just goes faster (and it goes faster, faster too). The '05 Legacy you can hear and feel the engine working (even a little coarse sometimes). Its just a much more connected feel.
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Re: Appliances [chrono] by robertsmx
Oct 26, 2007 (11:00 am)
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Replying to: chrono (Oct 26, 2007 9:44 am)

Again, those very same points were made ten years ago too. If you look closely, now and in the past (pick any period), Accord has never been at the top in anything except ownership cost, engine quality, ergonomics and may be dependability. When it comes to features, ride quality, handling etc, it usually finishes near top, never at the top.
 
I'm not sure why people keep bringing up Aura and its handling, having rented it a few times, I haven't found it yet. If anything, it lacks steering feel and response (and if GM is further softening it for Malibu as rumors suggest, it is going to be even worse).
 
Accord's handling hidden are those of a car that doesn't scream handling on first glance. It is there, if you know and want to use it. I don't have much experience with 2003-2007 Accord, however (and none with 2008) but enough to know it still maintains those attributes.
 
Its got all that one needs to cruise at 80 mph without worries, even in cross winds, over bumps (no additional rebound) and with communicative steering (it lets you feel stuff that many cars dubbed "good handling" don't). Even with almost 182,500 miles on the odometer, my 1998 tracks straight at high speed so much so that all you do is hold the steering lightly without having to do anything, even over bumps. The ratio tightens up and it feels as solid as can be expected. Those little things are often missed by most. They go more for the glitter.
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Re: 2009 Is The Year To Wait For [jaxs1] by joe97
Oct 26, 2007 (12:42 pm)
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Replying to: jaxs1 (Oct 26, 2007 8:01 am)

Regardless, it still has had only two model years, 2007MY which came out around April of 2006, and 2008MY.
 
Toyota is stopping production of the 2008 in Q1 next year, which is very weird, since the 08 has only been out for a very short months. Still, I think the 2009 will have minor cosmetic changes, if anything. We shall see.
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Re: 2009 Is The Year To Wait For [maxamillion1] by backy
Oct 26, 2007 (1:59 pm)
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Replying to: maxamillion1 (Oct 26, 2007 7:42 am)

Not yet have we seen a comparison of the new Accord verse more than the Camry.
 
I have a hunch (not a prediction, just a hunch), that the car mags are waiting for the new Malibu to do their next midsized sedan comparo. It will make for a much more interesting story line to pit the all-new Accord against the new Malibu. Although maybe the Camry won't make some comparos, like C/D's, because it finished so low in its last comparo (behind the old Accord, the new Altima, and the Optima). So C/D might do the Accord vs. Malibu, and maybe the Altima and Optima. MT will probably include the Camry since it was their COTY last year. And as we know, Edmunds.com is planning a big face-off of the Accord, Camry, and Malibu in late November, using drivers they pick from contest entries. CR will undoubtedly do a test including the Accord and Malibu as soon as they can. So hold on, the comparos will be coming soon.
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Re: 2009 Is The Year To Wait For [joe97] by jaxs1
Oct 26, 2007 (4:32 pm)
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Replying to: joe97 (Oct 26, 2007 12:42 pm)

So, they may call it a 2010 model early in 2009.

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