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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: 2009 Is The Year To Wait For [maxamillion1] by robertsmx
Oct 26, 2007 (8:08 am)
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Replying to: maxamillion1 (Oct 26, 2007 7:42 am)

While the current generation (2004+?) was representative of Mitsubishi losing its mojo, if this is the new Galant, it looks as promising as the 1999 version did. And although has conceptual details to it, do I see an i-Drive thingy there (right by the knob based gear selector)? I detest those things.
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Appliances by moparbad
Oct 26, 2007 (8:21 am)
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nice quote from John McCormick-
And talking of product brings us to the subject of appliances, a topic that Press knows well. His previous employer was and is the master of producing appliance-like vehicles. But to be fair to Toyota, that is the case to varying degrees with every major automaker in the world. Honda's Accord has vied over the years with Toyota's Camry for the title of world's blandest car, yet both models are phenomenally successful (and the envy of many rivals). And therein lies the dilemma for the auto industry, especially in the U.S. market.-end
Auto Appliance
 
I myself am willing to trade some degree of reliability for less boredom.
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Re: Appliances [moparbad] by thegraduate
Oct 26, 2007 (8:57 am)
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Replying to: moparbad (Oct 26, 2007 8:21 am)

Car and Driver (and I) beg to differ. They call the outgoing Accord, and I quote
 
 "the everyman's car that bonds with enthusiasts...the powertrain is marvelous. It has torque, it is hot-blooded for revs...at redline the exhaust note snarls, a lively contrast to the other cars, which have nothing to offer but a rising crescendo of whirs, hums, and buzzes. Would you buy a sedan from the same guys who engineered the NSX? Of course you would...
 
I haven't driven a 2008 Accord, but this account of the outgoing 4-cyl model ring true for me!
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Re: Appliances [moparbad] by robertsmx
Oct 26, 2007 (9:06 am)
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Replying to: moparbad (Oct 26, 2007 8:21 am)

I pity those guys. It seems they write these articles more out of frustration than to provide a fair view. Perhaps it is a result of insecurity of some sort. I've talked about and against "soul" in cars. But the term appliance, often an attempt to downplay success, makes more noise.
 
Want appliance... you can't miss look no further than most cars that come out of Detroit.
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Re: Appliances [robertsmx] by chrono
Oct 26, 2007 (9:28 am)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 26, 2007 9:06 am)

The more reviews I read about the 2008 Accord points to it being more of an appliance. Seems to have lost it's edge by getting bigger, heavier and softer. Looks like interior fit and finish isn't as good as before and road noise is still very noticeable.
 
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071025/COL14/710250367
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Re: Appliances [thegraduate] by lilengineerboy
Oct 26, 2007 (9:34 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 26, 2007 8:57 am)

at redline the exhaust note snarls, a lively contrast to the other cars, which have nothing to offer but a rising crescendo of whirs, hums, and buzzes.
 
They must have a different one than me. You can't hear the engine in my car at all except when you turn it on. Its not slow or underpowered, I just don't understand why they are so afraid of people knowing there is an engine in the front of the vehicle and when you push the gas, the engine speeds up.
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Re: Appliances [chrono] by robertsmx
Oct 26, 2007 (9:35 am)
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Replying to: chrono (Oct 26, 2007 9:28 am)

Stop reading reviews, and start driving. I haven't driven the new Accord, but the points you made were the points made ten years ago as well. What happened? The larger, softer and heavier Accord is still an impressive car, for its ride quality and handling. Need proof?
 
Perhaps those freep/detroit news guys could take a few lessons on driving from C&D.
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Re: Appliances [lilengineerboy] by robertsmx
Oct 26, 2007 (9:36 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Oct 26, 2007 9:34 am)

I'm lost. What are you talking about? One of the best part about Hondas is that you can hear the engine well under throttle. Even better, that the sound is actually pleasing w/I-4 and w/V6.
 
For a big NO, try Altima 2.5 w/CVT next.
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Re: Appliances [robertsmx] by chrono
Oct 26, 2007 (9:44 am)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 26, 2007 9:35 am)

The point the article was making was the new Accord took a step back while the competition has caught up or even surpassed it in several categories. The Accord is not so far ahead of the pack anymore. Actually looks like it's trying to keep up.
 
Traded in my 2005 Accord for a 07 Aura XR. Ride quality and handling to me is much more engaging. Proof that cars like the Fusion, Mazda6 and Aura have won over enthusiasts from Honda.
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Re: Appliances [robertsmx] by lilengineerboy
Oct 26, 2007 (10:22 am)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 26, 2007 9:36 am)

I'm lost. What are you talking about? One of the best part about Hondas is that you can hear the engine well under throttle. Even better, that the sound is actually pleasing w/I-4 and w/V6.
 
I think that is definitely true of my '93. I liked the sound of that 2.2l 4 cylinder, especially going through the rev band in 3rd gear. It had a very connected feel. The '07 I don't hear anything, I don't even feel much; the car just goes faster (and it goes faster, faster too). The '05 Legacy you can hear and feel the engine working (even a little coarse sometimes). Its just a much more connected feel.

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