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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: 2009 Is The Year To Wait For [backy] by maxamillion1
Oct 26, 2007 (7:42 am)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 25, 2007 7:06 pm)

I'm with you on that one...I don't see 'Yota refreshing the Camry after two model years. 2010 will bring the refreshed Camry, though toyota has been known to do partial changes. Like engine changes before a refresh, then refreshing the body itself.
 
2010 brings a Refreshed Altima...and from what I've been seeing a new galant should be out by 2009. If its anything like the Lancer is now, the Galant might turn out to be competitive with the value leaders of the group.
 
What's funny is that the Midsize Family sedan forums are probably the most hotly contested forums on Edmunds.com yet NOBODY ever does many comparison tests on these cars anymore.
 
Not yet have we seen a comparison of the new Accord verse more than the Camry. It's a shame IMO. I'm ready to see the Malibu compared to others in this class as well because I really like the 'Bu and have always liked the Aura.
 
If Saturn made the Aura available with a I4 (which is going to be avaialble this year) with a stick shift. I'd take it over the Altima and everything else in this class except for maybe the new Accord.
 
The Aura so far is my favorite domestic sedan.
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Re: 2009 Is The Year To Wait For [maxamillion1] by mz6greyghost
Oct 26, 2007 (7:54 am)
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Replying to: maxamillion1 (Oct 26, 2007 7:42 am)

If Saturn made the Aura available with a I4 (which is going to be avaialble this year) with a stick shift. I'd take it over the Altima and everything else in this class except for maybe the new Accord.
 
The only reason why my wife didn't buy the Aura was because of a lack of a manual. The Altima was her second choice, but won out due to the 6-speed with the 2.5.
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Re: 2009 Is The Year To Wait For [maxamillion1] by jaxs1
Oct 26, 2007 (8:01 am)
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Replying to: maxamillion1 (Oct 26, 2007 7:42 am)

Camry refresh may be "early" because the 2007 Camry actually came out early in 2006.
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Re: 2009 Is The Year To Wait For [maxamillion1] by robertsmx
Oct 26, 2007 (8:08 am)
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Replying to: maxamillion1 (Oct 26, 2007 7:42 am)

While the current generation (2004+?) was representative of Mitsubishi losing its mojo, if this is the new Galant, it looks as promising as the 1999 version did. And although has conceptual details to it, do I see an i-Drive thingy there (right by the knob based gear selector)? I detest those things.
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Appliances by moparbad
Oct 26, 2007 (8:21 am)
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nice quote from John McCormick-
And talking of product brings us to the subject of appliances, a topic that Press knows well. His previous employer was and is the master of producing appliance-like vehicles. But to be fair to Toyota, that is the case to varying degrees with every major automaker in the world. Honda's Accord has vied over the years with Toyota's Camry for the title of world's blandest car, yet both models are phenomenally successful (and the envy of many rivals). And therein lies the dilemma for the auto industry, especially in the U.S. market.-end
Auto Appliance
 
I myself am willing to trade some degree of reliability for less boredom.
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Re: Appliances [moparbad] by thegraduate
Oct 26, 2007 (8:57 am)
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Replying to: moparbad (Oct 26, 2007 8:21 am)

Car and Driver (and I) beg to differ. They call the outgoing Accord, and I quote
 
 "the everyman's car that bonds with enthusiasts...the powertrain is marvelous. It has torque, it is hot-blooded for revs...at redline the exhaust note snarls, a lively contrast to the other cars, which have nothing to offer but a rising crescendo of whirs, hums, and buzzes. Would you buy a sedan from the same guys who engineered the NSX? Of course you would...
 
I haven't driven a 2008 Accord, but this account of the outgoing 4-cyl model ring true for me!
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Re: Appliances [moparbad] by robertsmx
Oct 26, 2007 (9:06 am)
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Replying to: moparbad (Oct 26, 2007 8:21 am)

I pity those guys. It seems they write these articles more out of frustration than to provide a fair view. Perhaps it is a result of insecurity of some sort. I've talked about and against "soul" in cars. But the term appliance, often an attempt to downplay success, makes more noise.
 
Want appliance... you can't miss look no further than most cars that come out of Detroit.
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Re: Appliances [robertsmx] by chrono
Oct 26, 2007 (9:28 am)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 26, 2007 9:06 am)

The more reviews I read about the 2008 Accord points to it being more of an appliance. Seems to have lost it's edge by getting bigger, heavier and softer. Looks like interior fit and finish isn't as good as before and road noise is still very noticeable.
 
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071025/COL14/710250367
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Re: Appliances [thegraduate] by lilengineerboy
Oct 26, 2007 (9:34 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 26, 2007 8:57 am)

at redline the exhaust note snarls, a lively contrast to the other cars, which have nothing to offer but a rising crescendo of whirs, hums, and buzzes.
 
They must have a different one than me. You can't hear the engine in my car at all except when you turn it on. Its not slow or underpowered, I just don't understand why they are so afraid of people knowing there is an engine in the front of the vehicle and when you push the gas, the engine speeds up.
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Re: Appliances [chrono] by robertsmx
Oct 26, 2007 (9:35 am)
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Replying to: chrono (Oct 26, 2007 9:28 am)

Stop reading reviews, and start driving. I haven't driven the new Accord, but the points you made were the points made ten years ago as well. What happened? The larger, softer and heavier Accord is still an impressive car, for its ride quality and handling. Need proof?
 
Perhaps those freep/detroit news guys could take a few lessons on driving from C&D.

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