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Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 25, 2007 12:22 pm) Maybe because the 2nd gen Odyssey's were totally inconsistent, and had the faulty transmission bug. I don't know if the 3rd gen's have been much better. However, an Odyssey is still better then most van's. |
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 25, 2007 11:28 am) Yes, several. The easiest way to see this is look at the April "auto issue" (at your local library), and there's a bunch of tables that show both CR's reliability "verdicts" of the car as a used car, and their predicted reliability for the car as new. Looks like CR is going to publish an update in their next issue, based on results of their latest survey. This is the survey in which the Camry V6 took a hit. I posted the best and worst family cars from that update a few days ago.
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Replying to: backy (Oct 25, 2007 1:09 pm)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 25, 2007 1:18 pm) Most Reliable-listed in ratings order, starting with the best score Toyota Prius Honda Accord (2007) Hyundai Sonata (4-cyl.) Toyota Camry Hybrid* Ford Fusion Mercury Milan (* means rating is based on one model year) These are the family cars (CR's classification) that are the highest scoring in reliability, based on CR's latest survey. All but the Accord are the same designs for 2008 as for 2007. I think CR gave the Accord a high predicted reliability rating for 2008, even though it's a new design. We'll see if that comes back to haunt them, like when they said the 2007 Camry would have high reliability, and the V6 models didn't measure up to that prediction based on the survey results.
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Replying to: backy (Oct 25, 2007 2:06 pm) Next question. When Hyundai launches Genesis, do you expect it to target value? Back to reliability. Assume that 2008 Sonata does well in reliability score. If CR puts predicted reliability on 2009 Sonata as recommended, it will not be something unexpected to me. But, I must ask, would you then say that they are showing bias for Hyundai by putting recommendation on a new model?
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 25, 2007 2:28 pm) Genesis isn't a mid-sized family car. Since the 2009 Sonata will be a refresh (e.g. new front fascia, new dash, tweaks of existing engines) and not a redesign, I can see that a reliability recommendation for 2008 would carry over to 2009. But when the Sonata is redesigned (2011 or 2012 MY?), then I would hope CR would wait to see how the new design holds up--just as it should have waited on the redesigned Camry, and the redesigned Accord.
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Replying to: backy (Oct 25, 2007 3:14 pm) The question was: “If I were to ask you, would you say (predict) that it will continue to target value?” The answer seems to be a big yes. The long first sentence in the first paragraph highlights this. The short ones that follow are all about utter avoidance so I will leave it at that, for now. The complementary question was: “What criteria did you use?” Your response highlights an opinion, based on the past. So, you predicted something in the future based on a trend from the past. Did I get that right? The next question: “When Hyundai launches Genesis, do you expect it to target value?” Your response to this is another example of avoidance. You didn’t have an issue talking about Focus in an earlier post in this thread, why has size become an issue now? I’m taking another big “yes” for your answer, which will be along the lines of your response to the first, again, based on the past. If you disagree, let me know. The question: “If CR puts predicted reliability on 2009 Sonata as recommended, it will not be something unexpected to me. But, I must ask, would you then say that they are showing bias for Hyundai by putting recommendation on a new model?” You didn’t want anything to do with the word bias here and understandably so. But you do seem to understand the point of credits getting transferred from an older Sonata. Then you go on to say about “waiting more”, which says nothing about “projected” reliability now does it? So, to answer the question you should have just said that you don’t want to see CR recommending Sonata based on recent history. Why didn’t you? If you don’t believe in projections, don’t. And you might as well refrain from making a point on it. But you did. So, how is this different from what CR is doing? Or, are we jumping on CR’s throat for it being “fairly biased”? 
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 25, 2007 3:32 pm) If you want to bash someone because they decided not to follow your lead to go off-topic, that's your problem. Let us know when you want to return to discussing mid-sized sedans rather than "let's have some fun with backy."
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Replying to: backy (Oct 25, 2007 3:46 pm) "You asked for my prediction, my opinion, and that's it. Why? Simply, why not use all the weapons at your disposal in a war, instead of just one?" And then you complain about getting insulted (somehow). 
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 25, 2007 5:48 pm) I am insulted, however, that you would assume that I am trying to evade your questions and would be presumptous enough to write your own answers when you didn't like mine. So don't bother to ask me any more questions--just go ahead ahd answer them yourself; you're very good at that. |
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