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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 25, 2007 11:27 am) The only way to stop this trend is for us American to stop getting fatter and fatter. 
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 25, 2007 11:28 am) It sounded like all new Toyota models were given the benefit of the doubt in the past, not just the Camry. I would assume Honda gets the same treatment but can't confirm that.
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Replying to: akirby (Oct 25, 2007 12:21 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Oct 25, 2007 12:21 pm) Honda does for the most part. They recommend almost every new vehicle they put out. When the RDX came out, it was recommended ASAP. |
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Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 25, 2007 12:22 pm) Maybe because the 2nd gen Odyssey's were totally inconsistent, and had the faulty transmission bug. I don't know if the 3rd gen's have been much better. However, an Odyssey is still better then most van's. |
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 25, 2007 11:28 am) Yes, several. The easiest way to see this is look at the April "auto issue" (at your local library), and there's a bunch of tables that show both CR's reliability "verdicts" of the car as a used car, and their predicted reliability for the car as new. Looks like CR is going to publish an update in their next issue, based on results of their latest survey. This is the survey in which the Camry V6 took a hit. I posted the best and worst family cars from that update a few days ago.
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Replying to: backy (Oct 25, 2007 1:09 pm)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 25, 2007 1:18 pm) Most Reliable-listed in ratings order, starting with the best score Toyota Prius Honda Accord (2007) Hyundai Sonata (4-cyl.) Toyota Camry Hybrid* Ford Fusion Mercury Milan (* means rating is based on one model year) These are the family cars (CR's classification) that are the highest scoring in reliability, based on CR's latest survey. All but the Accord are the same designs for 2008 as for 2007. I think CR gave the Accord a high predicted reliability rating for 2008, even though it's a new design. We'll see if that comes back to haunt them, like when they said the 2007 Camry would have high reliability, and the V6 models didn't measure up to that prediction based on the survey results.
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Replying to: backy (Oct 25, 2007 2:06 pm) Next question. When Hyundai launches Genesis, do you expect it to target value? Back to reliability. Assume that 2008 Sonata does well in reliability score. If CR puts predicted reliability on 2009 Sonata as recommended, it will not be something unexpected to me. But, I must ask, would you then say that they are showing bias for Hyundai by putting recommendation on a new model?
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 25, 2007 2:28 pm) Genesis isn't a mid-sized family car. Since the 2009 Sonata will be a refresh (e.g. new front fascia, new dash, tweaks of existing engines) and not a redesign, I can see that a reliability recommendation for 2008 would carry over to 2009. But when the Sonata is redesigned (2011 or 2012 MY?), then I would hope CR would wait to see how the new design holds up--just as it should have waited on the redesigned Camry, and the redesigned Accord.
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