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Re: Supersize the Midsize [moparbad] by robertsmx
Oct 25, 2007 (9:04 am)
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Replying to: moparbad (Oct 25, 2007 8:25 am)

1985 Accord was a subcompact to barely a compact, not a midsize. Do you think that size would sell today in a family sedan? How about the engine?
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Re: Beyond silly Sable vs Taurus ratings, CR [robertsmx] by backy
Oct 25, 2007 (9:13 am)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 25, 2007 9:03 am)

Focus as a car was and still is rated highly by CR. But not in terms of reliability. Predicted reliability is a separate assessment from how they rank a car vs. others.
 
You can find CR at your local library and see how it rates cars and reports on predicted reliability (no, it's not just on the Camry)--no subscription to CR is needed.
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Re: Supersize the Midsize [robertsmx] by moparbad
Oct 25, 2007 (10:17 am)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 25, 2007 9:04 am)

1985 Accord was a subcompact to barely a compact, not a midsize. Do you think that size would sell today in a family sedan?
 
Using the Civic which is now 1985 Accord sized as an example then yes they sell, and yes they are used by families.
 
What size do you believe is required for "family" use? For the purpose of this discussion, using a family of four as a standard.
 
Midsize car such as Malibu or Camry? Are they too small for four North Americans?
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Re: Supersize the Midsize [moparbad] by robertsmx
Oct 25, 2007 (11:27 am)
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Replying to: moparbad (Oct 25, 2007 10:17 am)

If Accord were to sell in Civic volume, Civic would be selling in Fit volume, and Honda would be owned by another company. Thats the reality. Here is more.
 
Fit is somewhere between the first Accord (about half foot shorter) and first generation Civic (about half foot longer). Civic is about the size of an Accord from 25 years ago. If you think these two sizes are sufficient for American family sedan duties, then you need to look around. Accord outsells Civic and Fit combined.
 
Is there an automaker that you know would gladly dismiss one of its midsizers and make a living by selling subcompact to compact cars for family vehicle duties?
 
IMO, a car with good room for four, and decent cargo room makes for a good family car. It doesn't need to be as big as Taurus. And it cannot be Civic-sized either. Cars like Mazda6 are borderline acceptable. Take an average, and you just might find solid offerings from all automakers.
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Re: Beyond silly Sable vs Taurus ratings, CR [backy] by robertsmx
Oct 25, 2007 (11:28 am)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 25, 2007 9:13 am)

Is there any other car that has (or has had) a high "predicted" reliability from CR besides the Camry?
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Re: Supersize the Midsize [robertsmx] by louiswei
Oct 25, 2007 (11:39 am)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 25, 2007 11:27 am)

As a family sedan, Accord is okay at where it is - borderline between midsize and large sedan. However, it shouldn't keep growing with every iteration IMO, where is it going to stop? Civic can go up to the lower end of the midsize category since Honda now has Fit to take care of the small car market.
 
The only way to stop this trend is for us American to stop getting fatter and fatter.
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Re: Beyond silly Sable vs Taurus ratings, CR [robertsmx] by akirby
Oct 25, 2007 (12:21 pm)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 25, 2007 11:28 am)

Is there any other car that has (or has had) a high "predicted" reliability from CR besides the Camry?
 
It sounded like all new Toyota models were given the benefit of the doubt in the past, not just the Camry. I would assume Honda gets the same treatment but can't confirm that.
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Re: Beyond silly Sable vs Taurus ratings, CR [akirby] by thegraduate
Oct 25, 2007 (12:22 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Oct 25, 2007 12:21 pm)

Looking at the Odyssey minivan's reliability (typically reported as average), I'd assume otherwise. Just my opinion; I could be wrong.
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Re: Beyond silly Sable vs Taurus ratings, CR [akirby] by aviboy97
Oct 25, 2007 (12:59 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Oct 25, 2007 12:21 pm)

I would assume Honda gets the same treatment but can't confirm that.
 
Honda does for the most part. They recommend almost every new vehicle they put out. When the RDX came out, it was recommended ASAP.
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Re: Beyond silly Sable vs Taurus ratings, CR [thegraduate] by aviboy97
Oct 25, 2007 (1:01 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 25, 2007 12:22 pm)

Looking at the Odyssey minivan's reliability (typically reported as average
 
Maybe because the 2nd gen Odyssey's were totally inconsistent, and had the faulty transmission bug. I don't know if the 3rd gen's have been much better. However, an Odyssey is still better then most van's.

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