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Replying to: moparbad (Oct 24, 2007 11:11 am) Speaking of Buick, I think it benefits from the segment it caters to. I would also be interested to see average age of the buyers taking the surveys as well as miles driven to draw proper conclusions from any of these surveys. I have known folks who drive 5K miles or less/year. I drive that distance in two months. |
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Oct 24, 2007 11:49 am) |
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Oct 24, 2007 11:12 am) But in the process, you did mention something that relates to the topic. I have seen several people complain about Camry being favored by CR as they recommend even the new model by default. That doesn’t seem to be an issue with Focus being recommended when it first came out. So I say, let recommendation be what it is. CR has as much a crystal ball as did Ms Cleo. We could discuss pricing elsewhere, but since you brought it up, Focus is really priced above Fit and comparable to Civic. Equip base with ABS, automatic transmission, and you’re into $16.5K mark (Fit is about $2K cheaper). But market isn’t willing to pay the price for it, and incentives/rebates are almost warranted. Could have been better, if Ford actually took care of its business properly when it was launched (which was quite a splash, actually). If they didn’t learn from it, Fusion’s future won’t be any different. As of now, it does look promising.
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Oct 24, 2007 11:31 am) I started with a used 1982 Supra-Celica. It held up well, virtually guaranteeing my next purchased to be a Toyota. I bought used 1988 Corolla GT-S coupe. It held up extremely well, sold at 138K miles and was still running around 168K miles with the guy who bought from me. And it was not only reliable, it was also a fun car to drive and a lot more stable at speed than the sedan. This led to yet another used Toyota, 1992 Camry which I had until I decided to go Honda. Major reason for my switch was my driving experience, not ownership experience. The ownership experience led to me picking a Honda over VW (Passat), however. From one brand with reputation to another. Since then, I've been a Honda guy, not just based on reputation of the company but based in experience. This is how companies begin to garner respect, build a customer base, and repeat buyers. My cars over last ten years: 1998 Accord (current, 183K miles) 1999 Prelude (sold for Civic) 2000 Civic (replaced by TL) 2006 TL (current, 30K miles) Under consideration (to replace the Accord if there is a need): 2008/2009 Accord 2009 Fit It doesn't matter what JD Power or CR put on the survey. Those are simply fun numbers for me to look at. I don't put greater value on them over my ownership experience.
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 24, 2007 12:31 pm) That is the way I think of it too. |
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JD Power ratings are such a weak way to assess a car. What is a better source of reliability information than JD Power? Consumer Reports only survey's subscribers and is certainly not preferred to JD Power. |
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Replying to: moparbad (Oct 24, 2007 1:28 pm) While I'm sure the JD Power bible is the final purchase arbiter of a car decision for posters in the glass house, I've actually to meet anybody in real life who consulted with JD Power before buying a vehicle. What people do in this glass house vs the real world are two different things. |
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Replying to: moparbad (Oct 24, 2007 1:28 pm) I have found long term reliability ratings from CR to be more accurate. JD only goes three years out, and are a random surveys. I have never received a JD survey. |
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Replying to: moparbad (Oct 24, 2007 1:28 pm) For that matter, if you look at dependability survey, Mercury Sable has 5/5 overall dependability rating but its virtual twin has only 3/5. Why does this happen? You can see something similar in compact car segment too. Cavalier and Sunfire were virtual twins, yet the Chevrolet is deemed more dependable.
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